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I take it you've never read Isaiah 25:6? The Lord is going to serve us aged wine:

And in this mountain
The Lord of hosts will make for all people
A feast of choice pieces,
A feast of wines on the lees,
Of fat things full of marrow,
Of well-refined wines on the lees. [KJV]

On this mountain the Lord Almighty will prepare
a feast of rich food for all peoples,
a banquet of aged wine—
the best of meats and the finest of wines. [NIV]

 

I actually don't drink alchohol at all, but I was quoting scripture...here I'll give it again:

Deut. 14:26 - And spend the money for whatever you desire—oxen or sheep or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves. And you shall eat there before the Lord your God and rejoice, you and your household.

God encourages them to buy BOTH wine & strong drink, along with some meat, and to eat & rejoice.

As soon as you provide ANY scripture that tells me this in any way a sin, I will stop immediately.

 

I would tend to agree with your DEDUCTION. But it is just that...deducing what Jesus' wine was from the context of what was said about OTHER wine.

 

Could it be that all the scripture that pertain to drinking wine was because the water was so bad over in that country?

 

Nope. Sure didn't.

I didn't say that He changed it to non-alcoholic wine. I essentially said that it wouldn't make sense for Jesus to say to not get drunk and then produce that which makes people drunk.

I would venture that He produced grape juice, unfermented good BIBLICAL wine. But Scripture does not say.

That's why the whole of Scripture is taken into account. Which one causes conflict with something else that God says?

 

I have posted two verses that definitely refer to fermented drink (and 12Strings has posted others as well):

Numbers 28:7-8 God will accept an drink offering of fermented wine.
Isaiah 25:6 God will serve us fermented wine at a great feast.

yet none of the teetotalers addresses these verses. Why is that?

 

THE MAIN POINT IS YOU ARE CALLING SOMETHING A SIN THAT GOD DOES NOT CALL A SIN. Something, in fact that God says can be used "before the Lord" and something we can "rejoice" in.

Care to explain? are you saying...

1. ...You did not not say drinking alcohol is a sin? (If not, you have definitely implied it)

2. ...You argue that it is a sin, but also believe God has stated that it is a sin? (and if so, what is your biblical reason?)

3. ...Nope God didn't say we can rejoice in it?

 

It certainly "Could be" part of the reason there was lots of wine...but scripture doesn't say... It "Could be" that the reason God forbade shellfish was because it was fatty...we simply don't know, and so it does no good to speculate.

(EDIT: BY the way, I notice you missed my post #102)

 

Nope. I don't imply things that I'm perfectly capable of saying. If I intend to say it, that's generally what you'll read.:laugh:

I argue that what is a sin?

 

I found this article about water

Because the scarcity of water in palestine, it is much appreciated there. For it's people absence of water is very serious ( 1 Kings17:1ff; Jer14:3; Joel 1 :20), and rain is a sign of Gods favor. The rivers of Palestine are mostly small and have little water in summer. Consequently it depends upon rain for it's source of water. This supplies springs and fountains, Cisterns are a necessity for the storing of water, and this if stored to long becomes filthy and a menace to health. In the summer there is no rain, so that vegitation is dependent upon heavy dew. Wells and pools, although comparatively scarce, are often mentioned in the bible (Gen 21:19, 24:11 John 4:6; 9:7) This proves to me that in that day they had little choice but to drink something because of the shortage of water.

 

On television sometime they put on a advertisement recordings called rocking to the oldies. I find that listing to this kind of music of the 50's and 60's takes me back to when i was a rebellious teen, because you can relate music and lyrics to the sins you committed in your youth. If a person is not careful a desire will arise in your heart for the days of youth and wildness associated with your favorite tunes of yester year. Not only a desire of looking back but a since of fleshly pride fills your heart of remembering how good looking, or masculine, or tough you used to be. All of this is vain glory that fills ones heart as he listens to music that was designed to put ones mind back into the world.

 

That's very interesting. I've honestly never notice that contradiction before. I'll have to study it further.

 

Did i say God told people to sin ? You refuse to consider the water issue because you might be wrong, and that won't do at all.

 

The bible says vinegar not sour wine.

 

Do we know as fact that the climate in Biblical days was as it is now? When the Israelites came to the land after leaving Egypt, it is mentioned as a land flowing with milk and honey. If it was a verdant land, it would be reasonable to assume that there was adequate water.