Alcohol

[salzer mtn]

I've talked with a lot of lost people that drink and all of them stated, you have to get used to the taste of beer when you first start drinking. Over time the taste gets better. I ask them, why start drinking something that don't taste good? The answer was, You don't start drinking for the taste but the effect it has on you. I smelt of a can of open beer one time when i was a kid and it smelt like horse urine, it looks like horse urine. My question is, if what the lost people said was true about the taste, why did you people start drinking beer for ?

 

[InTheLight]

I've talked with a lot of lost people that drink and all of them stated, you have to get used to the taste of coffee when you first start drinking. Over time the taste gets better. I ask them, why start drinking something that don't taste good? The answer was, You don't start drinking for the taste but the effect it has on you. I smelt of a can of open coffee grounds one time when i was a kid and it smelt like horse urine, it looks like horse s#*t. My question is, if what the lost people said was true about the taste, why did you people start drinking coffee for ?

 

[salzer mtn]

I've talked with a lot of lost people that drink and all of them stated, you have to get used to the taste of coffee when you first start drinking. Over time the taste gets better. I ask them, why start drinking something that don't taste good? The answer was, You don't start drinking for the taste but the effect it has on you. I smelt of a can of open coffee grounds one time when i was a kid and it smelt like horse urine, it looks like horse s#*t. My question is, if what the lost people said was true about the taste, why did you people start drinking coffee for ?

I'm glad you ask, because i never started drinking coffee because of the taste. Now answer mine.

 

[annsni]

I've talked with a lot of lost people that drink and all of them stated, you have to get used to the taste of beer when you first start drinking. Over time the taste gets better. I ask them, why start drinking something that don't taste good? The answer was, You don't start drinking for the taste but the effect it has on you. I smelt of a can of open beer one time when i was a kid and it smelt like horse urine, it looks like horse urine. My question is, if what the lost people said was true about the taste, why did you people start drinking beer for ?

Anything I've had to drink that was yummy, I continued to drink. Other things I have had to drink were gross and I never had it again.

I've never thought beer tasted gross. Or scotch. Or wine. Or a good Seabreeze. Or a good margharita.

 

[salzer mtn]

Anything I've had to drink that was yummy, I continued to drink. Other things I have had to drink were gross and I never had it again.

I've never thought beer tasted gross. Or scotch. Or wine. Or a good Seabreeze. Or a good margharita.

Ann, by your own words on page 3 if you drink over one drink it gives you a migraine headache, then what is the point of your continued drinking ?

 

[annsni]

I've talked with a lot of lost people that drink and all of them stated, you have to get used to the taste of coffee when you first start drinking. Over time the taste gets better. I ask them, why start drinking something that don't taste good? The answer was, You don't start drinking for the taste but the effect it has on you. I smelt of a can of open coffee grounds one time when i was a kid and it smelt like horse urine, it looks like horse s#*t. My question is, if what the lost people said was true about the taste, why did you people start drinking coffee for ?

I HATED coffee for years but drank it for two reasons: It was culturally acceptable for adults to drink it and since I was an adult, I guess I should be drinking it (aka peer pressure). Also, I was drinking it for it's drug effect of keeping me awake artificially when I needed to stay up.

 

[InTheLight]

I'm glad you ask, because i never started drinking coffee because of the taste. Now answer mine.

I didn't start drinking beer because of the taste. I didn't start eating broccoli because of the taste. I didn't start drinking coffee because of the taste. I didn't start eating squash because of the taste. I didn't start eating chili because of the taste. etc. etc.

Like 99% of learned behavior I guess I started because other people were doing it.

Now answer my question:

If God forbids us to drink alcohol, why does He accept it as a drink offering and why will He serve it to us at a great feast?

Numbers 28:7-8 God will accept an drink offering of fermented wine.
Isaiah 25:6 God will serve us fermented wine at a great feast.

 

[salzer mtn]

Ann, how do you reconcile your post 164 with your post 166 ? Other things i have had to drink were gross and i never had it again. I hated coffee for years but drank it for two reasons.

 

[salzer mtn]

I didn't start drinking beer because of the taste. Like 99% of learned behavior I guess I started because other people were doing it.

Other people, what other people? Lost people? Lost people drink to get drunk.

 

[salzer mtn]

Now answer my question:

If God forbids us to drink alcohol, why does He accept it as a drink offering and why will He serve it to us at a great feast?

Numbers 28:7-8 God will accept an drink offering of fermented wine.
Isaiah 25:6 God will serve us fermented wine at a great feast.

In the margin of my bible in Isaiah 25:6 it say's the feast was a spiritual feast and spiritual food.

 

[annsni]

Anything I've had to drink that was yummy, I continued to drink. Other things I have had to drink were gross and I never had it again.

I've never thought beer tasted gross. Or scotch. Or wine. Or a good Seabreeze. Or a good margharita.

I HATED coffee for years but drank it for two reasons: It was culturally acceptable for adults to drink it and since I was an adult, I guess I should be drinking it (aka peer pressure). Also, I was drinking it for it's drug effect of keeping me awake artificially when I needed to stay up.

Ann, how do you reconcile your post 164 with your post 166 ?

In the first post, I was addressing alcohol directly because I was answering a post of yours (you see it in that post).

Coffee is not the only thing I continue to drink even though I originally thought it gross but I still think the other things I drink are gross. Robitussin is one of them, Nyquil is another. Sometimes you just have to drink gross stuff.

 

[annsni]

In the margin of my bible in Isaiah 25:6 it say's the feast was a spiritual feast and spiritual food.

What Bible is that???????

Matthew Henry:

The provision is very rich, and every thing is of the best. It is a feast, which supposes abundance and variety; it is a continual feast to believers, it is their own fault if it be not. It is a feast of fat things and full of marrow; so relishing, so nourishing, are the comforts of the gospel to all those that feast upon them and digest them. The returning prodigal was entertained with the fatted calf; and David has that pleasure in communion with God with which his soul is satisfied as with marrow and fatness. It is a feast of wines on the lees, the strongest-bodied wines, that have been kept long upon the lees, and then are well refined from them, so that they are clear and fine. There is that in the gospel which, like wine soberly used, makes glad the heart and raises the spirits, and is fit for those that are of a heavy heart, being under convictions of sin and mourning for it, that they may drink and forget their misery (for that is the proper use of wine—it is a cordial for those that need it, Prov. 31:5, 6), may be of good cheer, knowing that their sins are forgiven, and may be vigorous in their spiritual work and warfare, as a strong man refreshed with wine.

From Jamieson, Fausett & Brown

6. in this mountain--Zion: Messiah's kingdom was to begin, and is to have its central seat hereafter, at Jerusalem, as the common country of "all nations" ( Isa 2:2 , &c.).
all people-- ( Isa 56:7 Dan 7:14 Luk 2:10 ).
feast--image of felicity ( Psa 22:26, 27 Mat 8:11 Luk 14:15 Rev 19:9 ; compare Psa 36:8 87:1-7 ).
fat things--delicacies; the rich mercies of God in Christ ( Isa 55:2 Jer 31:14 Job 36:16 ).
wines on the lees--wine which has been long kept on the lees; that is, the oldest and most generous wine ( Jer 48:11 ).
marrow--the choicest dainties ( Psa 63:5 ).
well refined--cleared of all dregs.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

The effects of what alcohol has on other peoples lives should make people want to avoid it. Ann compaired a car in a wreck to a drunk killing people in a auto accident. Driving a car don't intoxicate someone. Now you are compairing eating saturated fats to drinking alcohol. I've never heard of a person eating a big mack and it slows down their reflexes or makes them dizzy or sleepy or makes them mean as a copperhead snake compaired to drinking moonshine. I've never known over eating and becoming fat to ruin a chritians testimony like drinking alcohol in front of a lost person would. Why don't we all get naked and dance down the street like David did, after all, we have bible to back it up.

Again, you are trying to compare drinking an occasional wine or beer, which was my original position, to getting drunk or alcoholism. Nobody here is advocating that. Are you incapable of debating from the original premise? Are you instead given to the absurd?

However, if you don't think what you eat ultimately affects others, stuff fries, pork chops, and Big Macs in your face on a regular basis, drop dead of a heart attack in your fifties or die of cancer at that age, and tell me if that wouldn't affect your family and friends.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

B4L, the same results happen with lack of sleep, in fact it is just as dangerous. I don't think anyone here is condoning driving under the influence just like nobody would condone driving with no sleep or in a blizzard with broken wipers and bald tires

Also, not everyone is affected by alcohol the same. If you are trying to say just one drink makes you somewhat drunk, then one hamburger makes you somewhat a glutton.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[InTheLight]

Other people, what other people? Lost people? Lost people drink to get drunk.

Maybe in your neck of the woods. I know plenty of people that don't drink to get drunk, lost or saved.

 

[salzer mtn]

What Bible is that???????

Matthew Henry:



From Jamieson, Fausett & Brown

Thompson Chain-Reference Bible

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Completely relative. Studies also show caffeine to have similar affects.


Actually if you say it destroys my witness you are in fact judging.

Funny, isn't it, how no one seems to believe that gluttony destroys one's witness.

 

[InTheLight]

In the margin of my bible in Isaiah 25:6 it say's the feast was a spiritual feast and spiritual food.

I see, so take the Bible literally whenever possible, except when it conflicts with your own personal theology.

So, the drink offering mentioned in Numbers 28---God was telling the Israelites to symbolically pour out a fermented drink? Really? :laugh:

 

[Arbo]

I've talked with a lot of lost people that drink and all of them stated, you have to get used to the taste of beer when you first start drinking. Over time the taste gets better. I ask them, why start drinking something that don't taste good? The answer was, You don't start drinking for the taste but the effect it has on you. I smelt of a can of open beer one time when i was a kid and it smelt like horse urine, it looks like horse urine. My question is, if what the lost people said was true about the taste, why did you people start drinking beer for ?

That's only if you drink domestic beers...

 

[salzer mtn]

All i can say is we will agree to disagree. No one can convince me a lost man don't drink to get drunk. No one can convince me if anyone drinks, lost or saved they drink it only because it taste good. I could go to proverbs and find plenty of scripture to give you reasons why i don't drink but i won't, it would be a waste of time. Good day.