Alcohol

[Born Again]

Is the church going to carry liability insurance? Is someone at the church going to observe and regulate how many drinks a person has?

So is this the answer to "What do you suppose the reason is behind why it's not an everyday part of our Baptist church culture?"

 

[webdog]

So is this the answer to "What do you suppose the reason is behind why it's not an everyday part of our Baptist church culture?"

Are we on Jeopardy or something?

 

[Old Union Brother]

Are we on Jeopardy or something?

If you have not repented the answer would be yes!:saint::saint::saint:

 

[salzer mtn]

Can you imagine people that drink in moderation setting around and trying to figure out if they have crossed the line of moderation. Seems to me that would take the fun write out of it. I have heard three beers will make you drunk if you are a new drinker. Do i take just one swallow, or do i drink till everything everyone say's is funny, i've passed moderation. Do i drink till i want to whoop some ones butt, or do i mix some hard liquor in there and will whoop someones butt ? LOL

 

[InTheLight]

So is this the answer to "What do you suppose the reason is behind why it's not an everyday part of our Baptist church culture?"

Already answered that. My answer was because it would be a tacit approval of drinking and driving. Then you brought up restaurants and bars. Restaurants and bars carry insurance and monitor people's intake. Maybe churches don't want to go there.

Again, what is your point?

 

[annsni]

Can you imagine people that drink in moderation setting around and trying to figure out if they have crossed the line of moderation. Seems to me that would take the fun write out of it. I have heard three beers will make you drunk if you are a new drinker. Do i take just one swallow, or do i drink till everything everyone say's is funny, i've passed moderation. Do i drink till i want to whoop some ones butt, or do i mix some hard liquor in there and will whoop someones butt ? LOL

I don't imagine. For me, it is one drink. I know that I do not feel any effects of one drink other than enjoying the beverage. That is my personal cut-off. I'm sure I could have more but I'm not comfortable with that.

 

[Born Again]

Already answered that. My answer was because it would be a tacit approval of drinking and driving. Then you brought up restaurants and bars. Restaurants and bars carry insurance and monitor people's intake. Maybe churches don't want to go there.

Again, what is your point?

Again, what do you suppose the reason is behind why it's not an everyday part of our Baptist church culture? As you stated "Because drinking wine was an everyday part of their culture and it's not in ours." Why do you reckon that is?

 

[InTheLight]

Again, what do you suppose the reason is behind why it's not an everyday part of our Baptist church culture? As you stated "Because drinking wine was an everyday part of their culture and it's not in ours." Why do you reckon that is?

I'm not playing anymore...

 

[Iconoclast]

Again, what do you suppose the reason is behind why it's not an everyday part of our Baptist church culture? As you stated "Because drinking wine was an everyday part of their culture and it's not in ours." Why do you reckon that is?

It might be that alienated post modern man in his struggle against existential philosophies,that cause clinical depression and irreconcilable conflicts in his "inner child".....has turned away from alcohol as a valid expression and aid in his quest to answer the question. From what I can tell , they have turned to sweet tea:thumbsup:

What....you want me to explain it? Let's discuss scripture instead,it might be more helpful:thumbsup:

 

[Born Again]

What....you want me to explain it? Let's discuss scripture instead,it might be more helpful:thumbsup:

Only if you feel you didn't explain it well enough the first time or have further to add. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone. I'm only asking questions as they relate to the subject matter. For example, my first post in this thread "Does anyone attend a Baptist church for Wednesday night supper and in the drink section, among other choices, have the choice of your favorite alcoholic beverage?" Or if a team of us went walking in a neighborhood and knocked on doors to witness, would you mind if I took a beer along?

 

[Monster]

This thread seems to be losing momentum.

And this is just my curiosity playing out here, call it thinking aloud or allowed even;

So, if someone (certainly not me, never me) were to call someone else that's drinking a sinner because they're drinking and they're wrong because drinking isn't really a sin, especially not if done correctly, does that make them (the one that's not me, and never would be) a sinner for calling the now falsely accused not-sinner a sinner because really what they're doing is only presumed a sin and since that's more or less sinfully confusing and I decided to re-enter this thread (this might be me here) and raise these vital questions via a run-on sentence just like this one, am I sinner for doing so, or is what I'm currently doing here only a presumption of sin on the part of either the sinners or non-sinners, like that of the presumed sin of the sinner that falsely accused the non-sinner that's drinking a sinner or proclaiming that drinking isn't a sin, a sin?

Anyone?

 

[Baptist4life]

This thread seems to be losing momentum.

And this is just my curiosity playing out here, call it thinking aloud or allowed even;

So, if someone (certainly not me, never me) were to call someone else that's drinking a sinner because they're drinking and they're wrong because drinking isn't really a sin, especially not if done correctly, does that make them (the one that's not me, and never would be) a sinner for calling the now falsely accused not-sinner a sinner because really what they're doing is only presumed a sin and since that's more or less sinfully confusing and I decided to re-enter this thread (this might be me here) and raise these vital questions via a run-on sentence just like this one, am I sinner for doing so, or is what I'm currently doing here only a presumption of sin on the part of either the sinners or non-sinners, like that of the presumed sin of the sinner that falsely accused the non-sinner that's drinking a sinner or proclaiming that drinking isn't a sin, a sin?

Anyone?

Ummmmm...............yes?:laugh:

 

[Bronconagurski]

This thread seems to be losing momentum.

And this is just my curiosity playing out here, call it thinking aloud or allowed even;

So, if someone (certainly not me, never me) were to call someone else that's drinking a sinner because they're drinking and they're wrong because drinking isn't really a sin, especially not if done correctly, does that make them (the one that's not me, and never would be) a sinner for calling the now falsely accused not-sinner a sinner because really what they're doing is only presumed a sin and since that's more or less sinfully confusing and I decided to re-enter this thread (this might be me here) and raise these vital questions via a run-on sentence just like this one, am I sinner for doing so, or is what I'm currently doing here only a presumption of sin on the part of either the sinners or non-sinners, like that of the presumed sin of the sinner that falsely accused the non-sinner that's drinking a sinner or proclaiming that drinking isn't a sin, a sin?

Anyone?

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I'm cutting you off.

 

[Born Again]

This thread seems to be losing momentum.

And this is just my curiosity playing out here, call it thinking aloud or allowed even;

So, if someone (certainly not me, never me) were to call someone else that's drinking a sinner because they're drinking and they're wrong because drinking isn't really a sin, especially not if done correctly, does that make them (the one that's not me, and never would be) a sinner for calling the now falsely accused not-sinner a sinner because really what they're doing is only presumed a sin and since that's more or less sinfully confusing and I decided to re-enter this thread (this might be me here) and raise these vital questions via a run-on sentence just like this one, am I sinner for doing so, or is what I'm currently doing here only a presumption of sin on the part of either the sinners or non-sinners, like that of the presumed sin of the sinner that falsely accused the non-sinner that's drinking a sinner or proclaiming that drinking isn't a sin, a sin?

Anyone?

It's just a controversial subject and everyone has their opinion and scriptures to, if you will, justify their stance on the matter. I can't help but think of different situations involving drinking and what impact, if any, drinking being involved makes.

Other examples include but not limited to:

You are having a drink at home and the pastor of your church knocks on the door, what do you do?

It's the evening of your daughter's first date, would you open the door to greet your daughter's date with a can of beer in your hand?

If your non-drinking parents are coming to stay for the weekend and they don't know you moderately partake, what becomes of the alcohol in your home?

If any of these situations would prompt a change in your behavior at that moment, what does that say if anything?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Only if you feel you didn't explain it well enough the first time or have further to add. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone. I'm only asking questions as they relate to the subject matter. For example, my first post in this thread "Does anyone attend a Baptist church for Wednesday night supper and in the drink section, among other choices, have the choice of your favorite alcoholic beverage?" Or if a team of us went walking in a neighborhood and knocked on doors to witness, would you mind if I took a beer along?

Beer in this cold weather? Naaa, but Polish Wodka (thats the good stuff) is much better for keeping you warm w/o any lingering smell & it taste better in the cold. Grandpa Stephen would have approved as he started his day off every morning at 4AM with a shot or two. And if you came to his house you would have been offered some warmed mulled red wine (home made). you could also have a beer & a sausage sandwich if hungry. Tea drinkers:laugh: ....well they would look at you like you had no hair on your...er aaa, chest. :smilewinkgrin::love2:

 

[salzer mtn]

This thread seems to be losing momentum.

And this is just my curiosity playing out here, call it thinking aloud or allowed even;

So, if someone (certainly not me, never me) were to call someone else that's drinking a sinner because they're drinking and they're wrong because drinking isn't really a sin, especially not if done correctly, does that make them (the one that's not me, and never would be) a sinner for calling the now falsely accused not-sinner a sinner because really what they're doing is only presumed a sin and since that's more or less sinfully confusing and I decided to re-enter this thread (this might be me here) and raise these vital questions via a run-on sentence just like this one, am I sinner for doing so, or is what I'm currently doing here only a presumption of sin on the part of either the sinners or non-sinners, like that of the presumed sin of the sinner that falsely accused the non-sinner that's drinking a sinner or proclaiming that drinking isn't a sin, a sin?

Anyone?

It does not bother me to be referred to as a sinner. I am just a sinner saved by grace. All people that know grace in truth will agree with me. Paul cetainly did when he referred to himself as the chief of sinners in the present tense. I always try to refer to the unsaved as a lost man or women, not a sinner because this can become confussing among grace people. Go talk to a lost person that is filled with pride and self rightousness and ask them if they are a sinner, they will probabily tell you that they are as good as you, maybe better. When you learn though the grace of God you are nothing but a sinner, you will always know you are just a sinner, saved by Gods grace.

 

[annsni]

This thread seems to be losing momentum.

And this is just my curiosity playing out here, call it thinking aloud or allowed even;

So, if someone (certainly not me, never me) were to call someone else that's drinking a sinner because they're drinking and they're wrong because drinking isn't really a sin, especially not if done correctly, does that make them (the one that's not me, and never would be) a sinner for calling the now falsely accused not-sinner a sinner because really what they're doing is only presumed a sin and since that's more or less sinfully confusing and I decided to re-enter this thread (this might be me here) and raise these vital questions via a run-on sentence just like this one, am I sinner for doing so, or is what I'm currently doing here only a presumption of sin on the part of either the sinners or non-sinners, like that of the presumed sin of the sinner that falsely accused the non-sinner that's drinking a sinner or proclaiming that drinking isn't a sin, a sin?

Anyone?

Blue. Because we know that it can't be yellow.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

It's just a controversial subject and everyone has their opinion and scriptures to, if you will, justify their stance on the matter. I can't help but think of different situations involving drinking and what impact, if any, drinking being involved makes.

Other examples include but not limited to:

You are having a drink at home and the pastor of your church knocks on the door, what do you do? Let him in, offer him a drink.

It's the evening of your daughter's first date, would you open the door to greet your daughter's date with a can of beer in your hand? I generally transfer my beer (lager) to a drinking glass or mug....never drink from a can.

If your non-drinking parents are coming to stay for the weekend and they don't know you moderately partake, what becomes of the alcohol in your home? No such thing as non drinking parents. Generally when my in laws come to town, I buy them a better quality of beer & Scotch than I have laying around....but any alcohol we have in the house is kept in the cupboard if anyone wants it....there it is.

If any of these situations would prompt a change in your behavior at that moment, what does that say if anything?

It only tells me that you need to calm down about alcohol consumption in your neighbors homes. You appear obsessed with some really destructive types of behavior that will or will not happen irrespective of your meddling. So sit down, have some Postum & chill out.

 

[annsni]

You are having a drink at home and the pastor of your church knocks on the door, what do you do?

That would be a problem because our pastor has asked all of the staff to not drink. So if my pastor came to the door while I was having a drink, I would clearly be in disobedience.

However, if I were just a regular congregant and not under our ministry covenant? I'd just set it aside, invite him in and offer him a Diet Coke.

It's the evening of your daughter's first date, would you open the door to greet your daughter's date with a can of beer in your hand?

That would be rude no matter what it is that you are drinking in your hand. You should go to the door as the host or hostess with empty hands so that you can accept the desert that this sweet boy has brought you to buy you off right from the beginning.

If your non-drinking parents are coming to stay for the weekend and they don't know you moderately partake, what becomes of the alcohol in your home?

It would be set aside for the weekend.

If any of these situations would prompt a change in your behavior at that moment, what does that say if anything?

Well, let me ask you a few questions to go with this?

Let's say you are BBQing a great steak and your vegetarian pastor came to the house? What would you do with your steak?

Your elderly neighbor rings the doorbell at an .... inopportune time as you are with your spouse. What would you do?

If you are laughing it up and having a nice time with some friends and you get a phone call that another friend of yours was just killed in a car accident, how would you change what you are doing?

You are sitting down and praying hard for the needs of the neighborhood people around you and your neighbor comes to the door to speak to you about an argument he had with his wife, would you stop praying?

If these situations would prompt a change in your behavior at that moment, what does that say, if anything?

 

[InTheLight]

It's just a controversial subject and everyone has their opinion and scriptures to, if you will, justify their stance on the matter. I can't help but think of different situations involving drinking and what impact, if any, drinking being involved makes.

Other examples include but not limited to:

You are having a drink at home and the pastor of your church knocks on the door, what do you do?

It's the evening of your daughter's first date, would you open the door to greet your daughter's date with a can of beer in your hand?

If your non-drinking parents are coming to stay for the weekend and they don't know you moderately partake, what becomes of the alcohol in your home?

If any of these situations would prompt a change in your behavior at that moment, what does that say if anything?

You're out knocking on doors for your church and a guy comes to the door with a beer in his hand and invites you in, says he was always curious about the Bible, and would like to speak with you, but only if you will have a beer with him. What do you do?