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Alcoholic beverages

Thinkingstuff

Thinkingstuff

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webdog said:
You are all over the place. You say you don't preach prohibition...then post a poem that states...
"And he prayed as he never prayed before,
To be saved from drink’s satanic power.

And his vows and prayers were not in vain,
For he never more rode on the Hell-Bound Train."

...then you state...

"You Can Tell People...But You Can't Tell 'em Much."

...and...

"I wonder how many lost souls would have been saved had it not been for the convenience of the whiskey parlors?"

So...are you preaching drinking sends you to hell...or in the same breath are you preaching the priesthood of the believer by your "I'm not telling you not to drink, it's not for me" mantra?
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What would you say Dog if he just said: "yes"?
 
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jaigner

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HAMel said:
You drink all you want and the rest of you take your pot shots. I choose not to drink. I DO NOT advocate prohibition. I do have however, a few insights toward the ills of drinking. Billy Sunday fought against the liquor halls in Chicago to the point that a song was written about it and Frank Sinatra used to sing about it. "Chicago, Chicago, It's My Kind Of Town..."
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Actually, that was a different song. "My Kind of Town" was from the movie, Robin and the Seven Hoods. "Chicago" was an earlier song ("Chicago, Chicago, that toddlin' town..."). This has absolutely nothing to do with the subject, but I'm a big Sinatra fan.

There are many things that are fine in moderation, but deadly and destructive when abused. We use and consume many of them without a thought. Alcohol is just one that we choose to be upset about.

Like I said, Christians have been drinking for centuries. The reformers drank. It is common practice for Christians in almost every place in the world to drink.

I respect your decision to abstain. That is the persuasion of your conscience, but when you speak ill of those who do, telling them essentially that they are "wanna-be" Baptists or unwise or something, that is a different thing entirely.
 
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HAMel

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Here are the lyrics...

Chicago, Chicago that toddling town
Chicago, Chicago I will show you around - I love it
Bet your bottom dollar you lose the blues in Chicago, Chicago
The town that Billy Sunday couldn't shut down

On State Street, that great street, I just want to say
They do things they don't do on Broadway
They have the time, the time of their life
I saw a man, he danced with his wife
In Chicago, Chicago my home town

Chicago, Chicago that toddlin' town
Chicago, Chicago I'll show you around - I love it
Bet your bottom dollar you lose the blues in Chicago, Chicago
The town that Billy Sunday could not shut down

On State Street, that great street, I just want to say
They do things that they never do on Broadway -- say
They have the time, the time of their life
I saw a man and he danced with his wife
In Chicago, Chicago, Chicago -- that's my home town
 
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HAMel

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jaigner said:
Actually, that was a different song. "My Kind of Town" was from the movie, Robin and the Seven Hoods. "Chicago" was an earlier song ("Chicago, Chicago, that toddlin' town..."). This has absolutely nothing to do with the subject, but I'm a big Sinatra fan.

There are many things that are fine in moderation, but deadly and destructive when abused. We use and consume many of them without a thought. Alcohol is just one that we choose to be upset about.

Like I said, Christians have been drinking for centuries. The reformers drank. It is common practice for Christians in almost every place in the world to drink.

I respect your decision to abstain. That is the persuasion of your conscience, but when you speak ill of those who do, telling them essentially that they are "wanna-be" Baptists or unwise or something, that is a different thing entirely.
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"...but when you speak ill of those who do, telling them essentially that they are "wanna-be" Baptists or unwise or something, that is a different thing entirely."

How right you are.

If Christians have been jumping off of high cliffs to their deaths, in almost every place in the world, would you?
 
Earth Wind and Fire

Earth Wind and Fire

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HAMel said:
Back woods preachers in Tennessee & Kentucky don't preach much about drinking as that's where the White Lighting comes from..., but this doesn't make it right.
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Folks in NJ & Pa aren't like that but they dont have anything against drinking in moderation either. If you were to go to the inner cities then alcoholism really isn't the main problem.....Heroin & Crack Cocaine are.
 
Thinkingstuff

Thinkingstuff

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HAMel said:
"...but when you speak ill of those who do, telling them essentially that they are "wanna-be" Baptists or unwise or something, that is a different thing entirely."

How right you are.

If Christians have been jumping off of high cliffs to their deaths, in almost every place in the world, would you?
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I've both cliff jumped or dived and I've bungee jumped. Yet I'm not dead. Interestingly enough.
 
Earth Wind and Fire

Earth Wind and Fire

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HAMel....your correct. Drinking is a choice. If its your choice not to drink then so be it. But you dont have the right to vilify me if I drink a beer now and again. Im willing to respect your rights.
 
Scarlett O.

Scarlett O.

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convicted1 said:
Walk in a church anywhere here in America with a six-pack of Bud, and see what happens. If you can drink at home, you should be able to drink at church, right? I just don't see where alcohol shines a "good light" to the "dark world"(the sinful world).
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Brother, I'm sorry, but I just got the giggles at this.:flower:

All I could think was was saying, "Trying walking into church in your underwear and see what happens. If you can lay on the couch and watch TV in your shorts, you should be able to sprawl out on the pew that way, right?"

There are LOTS of things that we do at home that we don't do in a worship service - eat pizza, put on make-up, fold clothes, take a shower, and play Nintendo. :laugh:

I agree with you - drinking can definitely cause a brother to stumble - one must be very careful and not flaunt his or her liberty.

I'm a teetotaler, myself. No self-control in that area. Abstainence works for me.

I didn't mean to pick on you, but you I just got tickled when I read your serious post.
 
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annsni

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Can I ask - If I chose to have a glass of wine one night at dinner with my husband in my own home, how would that cause someone to stumble?
 
evangelist6589

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Thinkingstuff said:
I don't have a problem with alchohol.
Actually, in moderation alcoholic beverages are actually good for you and your heart. However, just like in all things moderation is the key. People who cannot moderate themselves should not be around those beverages.
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Specifics? What you state is false. I am a paying member of a science based weight loss and nutrition program and even the top scientists dont agree with such an absurd sentiment.
 
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annsni

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evangelist6589 said:
Specifics? What you state is false. I am a paying member of a science based weight loss and nutrition program and even the top scientists dont agree with such an absurd sentiment.
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That's wonderful that you are a member of a "science based" program but the studies fully agree with Thinkingstuff. I've been told by my doctors at times to have a particular alcoholic drink. Science proves it out.
 
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Zenas

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evangelist6589 said:
Specifics? What you state is false. I am a paying member of a science based weight loss and nutrition program and even the top scientists dont agree with such an absurd sentiment.
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Red wine, in moderation, has long been thought of as heart healthy. The alcohol and certain substances in red wine called antioxidants may help prevent heart disease by increasing levels of "good" cholesterol and protecting against artery damage.

While the news about red wine might sound great if you enjoy a glass of red wine with your evening meal, doctors are wary of encouraging anyone to start drinking alcohol. That's because too much alcohol can have many harmful effects on your body.

Still, doctors do agree that something in red wine appears to help your heart, though it's unclear just exactly what that "something" is. Researchers think antioxidants, such as flavonoids or a substance called resveratrol, have promising heart-healthy benefits.

Antioxidants aren't the only substances in red wine that look promising. The alcohol in red wine also appears to be heart healthy. Find out what's known — and not known — about red wine and its possible heart-health benefits.
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Source: Mayo Clinic. You can read the full article here. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/red-wine/HB00089
 
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