Am I in sin?

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Who's "railing"?

2 Peter 2:11

Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

Thats the only Scripture I know where the word "Railing" is used. :laugh:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Regarding Mike's Hard Lemonade - remember it says "hard". I was at our barn one time and the owner brought over some beverages on a hot day including Mike's. I just had water but my friend had the lemonade - thinking it was regular lemonade. After she was done with it, she said she felt "buzzed" and maybe it was the heat. I told her it was the lemonade and she didn't believe me until I showed her the bottle and that it was alcohol. So yes, you can get drunk on Mike's.

As for alcohol, I used to drink it because it was tasty. Same reason I drink iced tea or a Coke. There are times I'd love to have a yummy margharita or a glass of wine but because of our decision not to drink for ministry's sake, I don't. I will still make a Seabreeze but without the vodka and it's still yummy.

Frankly Ive never heard of this stuff nor have I seen it at parties etc. My wifes German side were brew masters in Europe, Muller's (Millers of Miller Brewing Co actually) & they refuse to drink Miller Beer....American (Urine) Water is the common critique. You should note that a good Micro Brew , they are becoming more popular than wine variations with micro brews coming to trade centers as beer festivals to sample their concoctions....good marketing.

 

[Born Again]

There are times I'd love to have a yummy margharita or a glass of wine but because of our decision not to drink for ministry's sake, I don't. I will still make a Seabreeze but without the vodka and it's still yummy.

Please clarify ministry's sake, and how it compares with your witnessing's sake, and example's sake and give your opinion of when it's okay or not okay to partake in each sake.

 

[salzer mtn]

Come on Salzer, where does that horse manure your spreading come from anyway? I'm 56 YO & Ive been drinking my whole life.

Yes, i can tell by your posts

 

[Steadfast Fred]

One may think it is OK to drink just one drink now and then, and even argue online that one drink is permissible.

But in arguing for that one drink, they don't realize that there may be some who read their posts who will believe it is OK to drink just one and that one leads to addiction.

Every drunkard started with just one drink. And many drunkards started because someone else told them one drink won't hurt. Those have put a stumbling block in another person's path which the Bible tells us not to do.

How many have become drunkards because they heard someone say, or read someones post, that it is OK to drink and that one drink eventually led to another and then another??

I haver a feeling many are going to be ashamed at the number of people they caused to stumble when they stand before God. Even if it is just one person that stumbles because of someone telling them it is OK to drink, that is one too many.

 

[Zaac]

You want to rail against something, rail against Heroin. H has become the drug of choice on the street (at least in my state) & that stuff kills. Addicts will beat there mothers to death just for another fix of this crap. Liquor is a walk in the park on a sunny spring day compared to H & thats rampant.

Alcoholics beat their wives and kids and kill people all the time by drunk driving. Alcohol is like heroin. You don't become an addict if you don't use it.

 

[Zaac]

One may think it is OK to drink just one drink now and then, and even argue online that one drink is permissible.

But in arguing for that one drink, they don't realize that there may be some who read their posts who will believe it is OK to drink just one and that one leads to addiction.

Every drunkard started with just one drink. And many drunkards started because someone else told them one drink won't hurt. Those have put a stumbling block in another person's path which the Bible tells us not to do.

How many have become drunkards because they heard someone say, or read someones post, that it is OK to drink and that one drink eventually led to another and then another??

I haver a feeling many are going to be ashamed at the number of people they caused to stumble when they stand before God. Even if it is just one person that stumbles because of someone telling them it is OK to drink, that is one too many.

:applause: And THAT pretty much sums it up.:thumbs:

 

[annsni]

Please clarify ministry's sake, and how it compares with your witnessing's sake, and example's sake and give your opinion of when it's okay or not okay to partake in each sake.

For witnessing, I don't think it matters one way or another. We've brought people to the Lord over a glass of wine and we've brought people to the Lord over a seltzer. I don't know of anyone who's said "You say you're a Christian but you drink? I don't want that God!"

In our area, alcoholism is rampant. I mean it's really bad. We have MANY people in our church who are recovering alcoholics and drug addicts and so for their sake, we do not drink. Additionally, for MANY years, my husband and I were the leaders of the college ministry and that was when we actually made the decision to no longer drink. College students struggle enough with alcohol use and we said that we would show them that it's possible to survive without it. LOL

 

[Born Again]

For witnessing, I don't think it matters one way or another. We've brought people to the Lord over a glass of wine and we've brought people to the Lord over a seltzer. I don't know of anyone who's said "You say you're a Christian but you drink? I don't want that God!"

In our area, alcoholism is rampant. I mean it's really bad. We have MANY people in our church who are recovering alcoholics and drug addicts and so for their sake, we do not drink. Additionally, for MANY years, my husband and I were the leaders of the college ministry and that was when we actually made the decision to no longer drink. College students struggle enough with alcohol use and we said that we would show them that it's possible to survive without it. LOL

Thanks for your response. What then for your example's sake?

 

[annsni]

Thanks for your response. What then for your example's sake?

I don't understand your question.

 

[Born Again]

I don't understand your question.

In another way, why should our "ministry's sake" be any different than when we're actively witnessing to a lost person or just being a Christ-like example in public?

 

[InTheLight]

One may think it is OK to eat just one piece of cake now and then, and even argue online that two pieces of cake is permissible.

But in arguing for that one piece of cake, they don't realize that there may be some who read their posts who will believe it is OK to have just one and that one leads to addiction to sweets.

Every glutton started with just one piece of cake. And many gluttons started because someone else told them one piece of cake won't hurt. Those have put a stumbling block in another person's path which the Bible tells us not to do.

How many have become gluttons because they heard someone say, or read someone's post, that it is OK to have a piece of cake and that one piece eventually led to another and then another??

 

[Born Again]

One may think it is OK to eat just one piece of cake now and then, and even argue online that two pieces of cake is permissible.

But in arguing for that one piece of cake, they don't realize that there may be some who read their posts who will believe it is OK to have just one and that one leads to addiction to sweets.

Every glutton started with just one piece of cake. And many gluttons started because someone else told them one piece of cake won't hurt. Those have put a stumbling block in another person's path which the Bible tells us not to do.

How many have become gluttons because they heard someone say, or read someone's post, that it is OK to have a piece of cake and that one piece eventually led to another and then another??

You didn't finish it:

I have a feeling many are going to be ashamed at the number of people they caused to stumble when they stand before God. Even if it is just one person that stumbles because of someone telling them it is OK to eat cake, that is one too many.

 

[Zaac]

You didn't finish it:

I haver a feeling many are going to be ashamed at the number of people they caused to stumble when they stand before God. Even if it is just one person that stumbles because of someone telling them it is OK to eat cake, that is one too many.

I was thinking the exact same thing. There are a lot of flippant answers and folks who want to do whatever they want just like an unsaved world.But they neglect that we will give an account for EVERYTHING.

Sure it's possible for God to draw folks unto himself even through our unGodly behavior. But what might He do if we were concerned more about HOLINESS than we were about Heineken?

 

[annsni]

In another way, why should our "ministry's sake" be any different than when we're actively witnessing to a lost person or just being a Christ-like example in public?

Well, I do not think having a glass of wine is going to detract from the Gospel or add to it. However, in deference of those who struggle with alcoholism, it's probably a good idea to not partake around them.

I don't think "Christ-like" has anything to do with partaking or not. I don't think you are more like Christ if you do not drink or more like Him if you do. But if you are around someone who struggles with gluttony, you're not going to invite them to your home and serve a dessert buffet. In the same way, if one I know is an alcoholic, I will not even cook with alcohol when they come. However, I will be more than happy to make a good Irish Stew or Chicken Marsala if they do not come.

 

[annsni]

Where does holiness=teatotalling?

 

[Arbo]

Where does holiness=teatotalling?

Strictly my opinion, but I believe that much of the zeal of the Alcohol-Equals-Sin mindset is societal and influenced by the temperance movement of the late 1800s and early 1900s.

 

[evangelist6589]

Well, you didn't say you were drinking a "version" of it. The actual Mike's Hard Lemonade has a 5% alcohol content and the Mike's Harder Lemonade has an 8% content.

But let's just go with your numbers. Alcoholic content is alcoholic content. Buzzed is buzzed and drunk is drunk. Drink 4 MHL or 2 beers. Down a half of bottle of Dr. Tichner's.

Adding carbonation, sweetener, and calling it lemonade doesn't make it less of a problem for those who have a propensity for abusing alcohol. Someone like me would not stop at 1 or 2.

Saying that beer is evil and MHL is "just a soda" is just not accurate.

Okay I stand corrected. But I prefer the light Lemonade. Its funny but I have yet to get drunk with the stuff.

http://rcg.org/articles/idas.html

 

[evangelist6589]

You have a very subjective set of morals about alcohol.

If beer is meant to get people drunk, how is your job any different (other than the legality of it) than a drug-runner?

Also, if your hard lemonade is like soda, why not just drink soda or normal lemonade? Could it be for the buzz?

I like the taste of the drink...

 

[evangelist6589]

What exactly is the purpose of drinking alcohol if not to get buzzed?

How many people that we are witnessing to are gonna distinguish between you having a drink "because you like the taste" and them drinking to get drunk?

It's the APPEARANCE of evil if you're sitting there with a bottle in your hand.

Would we tell a drug addict I'm only gonna do part of what you're doing?
Would we tell the homosexual "I'm gonna do this once and it's okay but you're doing it to the extreme and again and again"?

If you wouldn't openly sit on the front pew of the church and do the same thing in front of everybody, ask yourself why not?

God has called for us to be HOLY. And we seem to look for every excuse to justify doing the very same things that a lost and dying world wants to do.

I agree with you and why I won't go into a bar. However I am not so sure that all alcohol is bad. You need to rebuff this article and post it on this forum.

http://rcg.org/articles/idas.html