America Is A Christian Nation And Founding Fathers

Hello All,
It will be Thursday or Friday before I can spend any time on this but will clarify just a few things.

Numerous of those quotes came from the National Archives. Here are just a few more.

Now for some factual things: 1) One of the first acts of the first Congress was to appoint a Christian Chaplain. 2) Once again Thanksgiving was introduced as a day to give thanks to God. 3) Not only did they say prayers before beginning sessions of Congress but they also held Church services within the hall for 40+ years. In which Jefferson and others attended. Then in the late 1800's allowed a congregational Church have services within the hall. 4) Ten commandments are in the Supreme Court and other official buildings, 5) The entrance to Congress has a large biblical reference(sorry I will find later). 6) Congress re-enacted the Northwest Ordinance. Article 3 states "Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged! This was ratified BEFORE the 1st ammendment and served as bases for it. 7) As I outlined, the Decleration of Independence was as important an document along with the Bill of Rights. The Constitution was signed in the day of our Lord.... Say what you want but Only Christian Nations would sign as such. Not secularists, Muslim, Hindu, atheist. 8) Washington appointed and Congress approved, John Jay first Chief Justice of Supreme Court, whom said

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Call it whatever you want but this is furtherest from secularism. It has become much more secularist no doubt however. Christian Nation just means founded by Christians, where overwhelming majority of people were Christian(significantly higher diversity today), and on Christian principles. With reverence to God. It was meant to be a Nation for all people with equality.

This does not mean other works or philosophies did not play a role. I have stated it was not founded as a Christian Theocracy. But they declared by all their personal and public words, actions, policies, prayers and legislation that God was to have a role. Look at your own State Constitution Preamble. Jesus said a "house devided cannot stand". I mention this because there are those who are Hell-Bent(sorry) on changing(continuing), America from a God revering Nation to a completely secular Nation. Watch the effects! A few of these people hate you as a Christian and America as such. Start this subject on a secular site and see what you get.



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Once again don't take my word for these things. Just look at what the Supreme Court said in "Holy Trinity Church v. United States" 1892, last half. They give an accurate account of America's heritage and the way it had always been looked upon until last 50+ years or so. This is just factual.

Anyhow I will go into it a little more later. Sorry it is so long and jaged. Y'all have a good one:wavey:

 

Very good points. This Nation is great because of it's Christian foundations and beliefs.


Also some of you are looking at America strictly in today's terms! America was a Christian Nation long before the Revolutionary war and Founding Fathers. Early on it was much like Old Europe where "established Church" was the case. However, over time we indeed became our own Nation and people. Which believed people had certain rights in regards to their faith(Christian). I note Christian because, with exception of Native Americans, that is what it was. They looked skeptically, politely put, at people of no faith or of "false" faiths as seen. There is overwhelmingly more diversity today, then there ever was then if at all. Indeed, they would have found atheistic or secularistic policies, or even views, as a danger to our Nation. They encouraged Native Indians to become Christian in an sincere attempt to minister to them about the Lord. In addition as advice, so the Native Americans would maintain a place in America.

Also the Founding Fathers were more religious than some try and portray them as. I will not debate the depth or whether you beleive them "true" Christians, but they were not the deists etc, as some have been made out to be. Many were quite reverent and personal with their relationship with God! Such can be seen alone with their prayers as they often and fervently asked God to intervene on their behalf.

In regards to atheism and as a representation of such. Here are some of their remarks in regards to Thomas Paine's "age of reason". Often referred to as the atheist bible as was a general attack on religion and evangelical Christianity in particular. Most ALL the Founding Fathers vehemently denounced the work!

Benjamin Franklin:

Samuel Adams:

John Adams:

others:

John Quincy Adams;

Elias Boudinot:

Patrick Henry:

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Thomas Paine's died an outcast though he was no atheist by today's standards. He was buried in a farm field because no American cemetery would accept his remains. Dictionary of American Biography, s.v. "Thomas Paine."

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Benjamin Franklin: in describing America to people while in France.
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America is a Christian Nation and always has been! Everyone is given equal protection under the law etc and are equaly American, irrespective of their beliefs. Only minority views and rights have superseeded the views and rights of the majority; and traditional values of this Nation. This is just factual and is not what was intended. They can teach atheistic/paganistic/secularistic stuff, while removing all Christian influence, in schools and other public places????? The Founding Fathers would flip and this is factual. :Fish:

 

Well I take this as an overall compliment. The History of this Country is irrefutable whereas it being a Christian Nation. It also is irrefutable that the Founding Fathers did not intend on God having a place in our Government, as they did. They relied on God, truly believed he supported this Country through the Revolutionary war, and had a hand in it's founding. History completely shows this!

Whereas "Lord" in the Constitution is concerned, this is factual, and it is not just a rubber stamp. Most documents were simply dated even without A.D.. They typically only dated documents in the "year of our Lord" which they held to have importance! Therefore, there is some reverence to it and not just a rubber stamp. In addition only Christian Nations dated a such.

Again, the Constitution simply established the form government. The Decleration of Independence contained the hopes and aspirations, as granted by God as they saw it! The Bill of Rights was more a legal issue as some thought unnecessary, because we already had the Declerations! Their debates show all of these things.

A) The Nation celebrates its' birthday Fourth of July 1776! B) They wrote the swearing in ceremonies as such in "the presense of Almighty God, that I will support the Constitution of the United States. So help me God".

They prayed often and called for many days of National Prayers during this period, asking God for guidance, help, and giving thanks etc. The Constitution could easily be seen as a prayer with amen at the end; "In the Year of our Lord". The Founding Fathers would have found that statement to be very accurate.raise:

 

"Fromtheright" thanks for the input. I know you were not debating some of the following but I would like to clarify a few things. For myself and others who may not be quite familiar.

A: You are correct, 1) Jefferson should not be taken as the authority on the First Amendment. As it was other's involved with it's creation, debates, and ultimate language. Also he was in France during the time. 2) The Danbury letter and Jefferson letter, which had the wall of separation metaphor, took place 14 years after the Bill of Rights and First Amendment had been ratified. The letter was basically a reassurance to the Danbury Baptists they would enjoy religious freedom and equality with other Christian denominations.

The problem is, in the last 50 plus years people have twisted or used the “wall of separation” metaphor, to attack Christianity in the public arena. They have in effect re-written the First Amendment by ignoring historical facts and 150 years of correct interpretation. The result has been some grossly inaccurate Court rulings which have snowballed into other court rulings. Justice Rehnquist outlines this in Wallace v. Jaffree(1985). Pointing out the mess such bad interpretations has created which the Court now has to contend with. A link can be found at bottom for his statements.


B: In regards to the Jefferson quote "It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg...for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god." The two sentences are actually back-wards but he was speaking of religious freedoms within Virginia. Which along with the Declaration of Independence were his self-proclaimed greatest accomplishments. His views were not quite in line with the other Founding Fathers. IE: He called for no public days of Thanksgiving to God while Congress and other Founders/Presidents did so regularly. His later bid for Office was very contentious with being called an atheist or sympathizer of such, none of which was true.

His “Notes on Virginia” 1781, also dealt with wildlife/politics/geography in addition to religion. In regards to religion and continuing from the above quote Jefferson went on to say:

I just thought this may serve to clarify a few things.

You mistook me here. I was referencing Engel v. Vitale(1962) in regards to removal of voluntary school prayer. As noted, they admit nothing in the Constitution or history called for it to be stricken. So they used language found in cases such as Everson(1947), which is what I noted.

Everson was a landmark in which they basically re-defined the First Amendment. By misinterpreting the Jefferson metaphor of separation, as you so eloquently stated. It should have never been used in the first place. Rehnquist offers some excellent insight on the problems such has caused with the courts. He also give some excellent insight in regards to the First Amendment and Constitutional history. It is a little long but worth printing out and highlighting the major points. http://www.tourolaw.edu/PATCH/Wallace/

Rehnquist:

He goes on to briefly explain why Jefferson and his metaphor is a poor source, by explaining Other's prominent role with the First Amendment, the process, and factual events. One doesn't really need his opinion as a Mass of History shows all this and more.

Rehnquist:

This in regards to the the Bill of Rights/First Amendment.


Continuing:

Rehnquist goes on to explain the problems with such bad interpretations and problems it puts upon the Court. For those who are interested you should read.

Y'all have a great upcoming Fourth of July. God Bless America. :thumbs: Ralph