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Any Here Hold that we are not born with a sin nature?

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AustinC

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37818 said:
So are you too denying the role of the inherited knowledge of good and evil plays in mankinds sin nature? Genesis 2'17.
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Do you mean by genetic trait? I do not believe sin has been passed on by genetic trait. I believe that it is passed on by virtue of the curse because Adam broke the covenant God had with Adam.
All humans are born under the curse and by nature are born as sinners under the curse.
 
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AustinC said:
Do you mean by genetic trait? I do not believe sin has been passed on by genetic trait. I believe that it is passed on by virtue of the curse because Adam broke the covenant God had with Adam.
All humans are born under the curse and by nature are born as sinners under the curse.
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Adam represented all of us before God, when he fell, we all got what he got in judgement, Jesus passed all of His trials and tests, and so in Him we gain all spiritual blessings!
 
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The Fall of Adam caused the judgement of God against Him, as in becoming physically and spiritually dead, to be towards all in Adam!
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Really? ". . . Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?" -- Genesis 3:6-11.
 
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Adam represented all of us before God, when he fell, we all got what he got in judgement, Jesus passed all of His trials and tests, and so in Him we gain all spiritual blessings!
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Yes, Jesus established the New Covenant with his elect.
 
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37818 said:
Really? ". . . Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?" -- Genesis 3:6-11.
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Spiritually dead cam still hear God speaking to them, as that would just need ears that work!
 
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She did, that was why He needed by be conceived by the Holy Spirit and not by Joseph!
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What you seem to refuse to hear, the same knowledge of good and evil that causes the sin nature in man was always part of the Son of God's nature as God. So He would remain sinless, Mark 10:18, Hebrfews 4:15, Genesis 3:22. John 1:18, John 14:6.

Jesus the Man was the Son of God, Luke 1:35, John 1:14, John 3:13 -KJV.
 
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AustinC

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What you seem to refuse to hear, the same knowledge of good and evil that causes the sin nature in man was always part of the Son of God's nature as God. So He would remain sinless, Mark 10:18, Hebrfews 4:15, Genesis 3:22. John 1:18, John 14:6.

Jesus the Man was the Son of God, Luke 1:35, John 1:14, John 3:13 -KJV.
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Truth...I don't understand your logic with this. I know you have quoted scripture from Genesis, but I don't see how it is applied by the means you are attempting to apply it.
 
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Was it a must that."Emmanuel." be brought forth of a virgin?

Before God said, "Let there be light," was Emmanuel, the Son of God. going to be manifested, conceived of a virgin and brought forth of a virgin?

The principle of first things.

the virgin shall conceive, and she shall bring forth
And Joseph, having risen from the sleep, did as the messenger of the Lord directed him, and received his wife, and did not know her till she brought forth her son -- the first-born, and he called his name Jesus.

And they are both of them naked, the man and his wife, and they are not ashamed of themselves.
And the woman seeth that the tree is good for food, and that it is pleasant to the eyes, and the tree is desirable to make one wise, and she taketh of its fruit and eateth, (So -- the way of an adulterous woman, She hath eaten and hath wiped her mouth, And hath said, 'I have not done iniquity.') and giveth also to her husband with her, and he doth eat;
and the eyes of them both are opened, and they know that they are naked, and they sew fig-leaves, and make to themselves girdles.

And the man knew Eve his wife, and she conceiveth and beareth Cain, and saith, 'I have gotten a man by Jehovah;' and she addeth to bear his brother, even Abel. And Abel is feeding a flock, and Cain hath been servant of the ground.

Did the first virgin belong to God? Was she conceived? Did Adam steal from God?

And Cain killed Abel and Abel was not resurrected, but one replaced him unto Christ, Seth.And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

1 John 3:8 Heb 2:14 Gal 4:4,5 Eph 1:4,5

I believe before the man was created it was all about destroying the devil the sinner from the beginning and adopting as sons the man who had been made from the dust of the ground.

All that took place in the Garden of Eden, had to take place, in order for all else to take place.
 
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37818

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AustinC said:
Truth...I don't understand your logic with this. I know you have quoted scripture from Genesis, but I don't see how it is applied by the means you are attempting to apply it.
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Fair enough. Two facts: The knowledge of good and evil is the source of the human sinful nature. The knowledge of good and evil always was the knowledge of our infinitely good God.

The Son of God in his incarnation has two sources of His knowledge of good and evil. First being God from His Father. Second from His human mother.

Please point out the difficulty.
 
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We are all like Adam.He also was created with a sin nature or else he would not have sinned. This does not mean we are born sinners or that we are guilty of Adams sin. The Bible says we are born in sin not born sinners Scripture never says we inherited Adam's sin.
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37818 said:
What you seem to refuse to hear, the same knowledge of good and evil that causes the sin nature in man was always part of the Son of God's nature as God. So He would remain sinless, Mark 10:18, Hebrfews 4:15, Genesis 3:22. John 1:18, John 14:6.

Jesus the Man was the Son of God, Luke 1:35, John 1:14, John 3:13 -KJV.
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That knowledge was not in either Adam or Eve until they fell, and Jesus has sinless humanity nature, unlike ours!
 
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AustinC said:
Truth...I don't understand your logic with this. I know you have quoted scripture from Genesis, but I don't see how it is applied by the means you are attempting to apply it.
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The Fall was Adam and Eve disobeying God, period!
 
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