Anyone here observe Lent, etc?

[robycop3]

The Jewish people also had their long respected religious holidays, observances, festivals, and rituals and I bet Jesus participated in many of them while He was on this earth. Now we have some Christians saying that we cannot have the same sort of things except with Jesus as the focus just because each and every action is not spelled out specifically in the New Testament.

However, the Israelis observed fests & rites ordained by GOD, while the RCC has lotsa MAN-MADE observances.

 

[HankD]

I'm really sick of this smug attitude you guys have for the Roman and eastern church. The very bible you have today was compiled by the 7 church fathers one of which was from rome. Why believe the bible then?
Martin Luther was a drunk and a philanderer. Calvin was a sociopath. The Protestant Hugonauts murdered a lot of people.

Please document
The 7 church fathers and the bible they compiled.
Martin Luther's drunkenness and philandering.
That Calvin was a sociopath.
That the Huguenots murdered "a lot of people".

 

[JonC]

I think Luther was pre-Reformation. He was a man of his times. The Reformation began as an attempt (by Luther) to reform Romanism. His actions and writings fed the flames of the Protestant Reformation, but Luther himself was not Reformed as Reformed is commonly defined.

That is interesting as I see the Reformation as having its start prior to Luther (with people like John Wycliffe and Jan Hus). But I understand that these may have been the building blocks towards the Reformation. The reason I don't think of Luther as pre-Reformation is that his work extended until the time of Calvin. I can see, however, how it would be difficult to draw a "hard line" (where would we put the "radical reformers", for example).

 

[rlvaughn]

Does anyone here observe Lent, or any of the "special" days associated with it?

No, do not recognize or observe Lent.

 

[Reformed]

We have already seen that R.C. Sproul's church observes Lent to some degree so obviously there is something wrong with your line of reasoning here.

Did you read what I wrote in post #54.

 

[Reformed]

That is interesting as I see the Reformation as having its start prior to Luther (with people like John Wycliffe and Jan Hus). But I understand that these may have been the building blocks towards the Reformation. The reason I don't think of Luther as pre-Reformation is that his work extended until the time of Calvin. I can see, however, how it would be difficult to draw a "hard line" (where would we put the "radical reformers", for example).

Wycliffe and Hus, IMHO, foreshadowed the Reformation. Luther removed the final chock from the wheel and set the stage for complete separation from Rome.

Again, IMHO, the Radical Reformers (mostly Anabaptists) went in their own direction as opposed to the magisterial Reformers who had varying degrees of support from secular governments. Particular Baptists had a difficult time finding their niche because they were not Anabaptists or accepted by the Presbyterians who were in the magisterial camp. One thing the Magisterial Reformers and Particular Baptists agreed on was to distance themselves from the papacy in all areas.

 

[Reformed1689]

Did you read what I wrote in post #54.

Yeah about the RPW. Let me ask you, what exactly do you think Lent is?

 

[Adonia]

However, the Israelis observed fests & rites ordained by GOD, while the RCC has lotsa MAN-MADE observances.

Yes, the Jewish feasts and rites that were ordained by God and accomplished through those men whom He placed in positions of authority.

The same with the Christian observances, ordained by God and enacted by those men whom He placed in authority of the Christian Church. If there ever was a time that something that should be observed by Christians it would surely be the Death and Resurrection of His only son, Jesus Christ and the period leading up to it to be used as a period of preparation and renewal.

I ask you, what better way to spread this message to the whole world than to co-opt the pagan springtime festival? God certainly knew what He was doing.

 

[Reformed]

Yeah about the RPW. Let me ask you, what exactly do you think Lent is?

You missed it.

 

[Reformed]

Yeah about the RPW. Let me ask you, what exactly do you think Lent is?

Let me help you out a bit. In post #54 I wrote, "You are asking a question that I have to answer in the aggregate. Most Reformed churches that observe a strict interpretation of the RPW* (Regulative Principle of Worship) do not observe religious holidays at all." What do you think I meant by "in the aggregate" and "Most Reformed churches"?

 

[Adonia]

Will you document that,




Please define "orthodox" Christianity and document my rejection of it.

Let's see, the German Peasants War of 1524/1525 was inspired by the radical reformers of the day and occurred in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and the Netherlands and an estimated 100,000 were killed. So of course Protestants were indeed killing Catholics and vice versa. In England during the times of Henry the VIII and Elizabeth I, Catholic clergymen were ruthlessly sough out and killed and I am sure the same thing happened to the average faithful Catholic too. So there we have it, Protestants killing Catholics as well as Catholics killing Protestants - a sad time for all members of the Body of Christ for sure.

As for Orthodox Christianity, it consists of those who have a belief in the 7 Sacraments, a teaching that has been around since the beginning of the newly forming Universal Christian Church. Among other things it has an ordained clergy called Priests and Bishops, practices infant baptism, and has a lead Bishop who is called a Pope (Western Rite) or a Patriarch or Metropolitan (Eastern Rite).

I am sure that you know that after first great schism in Christianity in the 11th century, the Eastern Orthodox Church continued to believe in the 7 Sacrament teachings. You on the other hand, who now follows the Baptist faith tradition have indeed rejected orthodox Christianity as it has always been known. Is that not so?

 

[rlvaughn]

...what exactly do you think Lent is?

According to Encyclopedia Brittanica: "Lent, in the Christian church, a period of penitential preparation for Easter. In Western churches it begins on Ash Wednesday, six and a half weeks before Easter, and provides for a 40-day fast (Sundays are excluded), in imitation of Jesus Christ’s fasting in the wilderness before he began his public ministry. In Eastern churches Lent begins on the Monday of the seventh week before Easter and ends on the Friday that is nine days before Easter. This 40-day “Great Lent” includes Saturdays and Sundays as relaxed fast days."

According to English Oxford Living Dictionaries: "(in the Christian Church) the period preceding Easter, which is devoted to fasting, abstinence, and penitence in commemoration of Christ's fasting in the wilderness. In the Western Church it runs from Ash Wednesday to Holy Saturday, and so includes forty weekdays."

 

[Ran the Man]

Please document
The 7 church fathers and the bible they compiled.
Martin Luther's drunkenness and philandering.
That Calvin was a sociopath.
That the Huguenots murdered "a lot of people".

Internet is right in front of you.

 

[Reformed]

According to Encyclopedia Brittanica: "Lent, in the Christian church, a period of penitential preparation for Easter. In Western churches it begins on Ash Wednesday, six and a half weeks before Easter, and provides for a 40-day fast (Sundays are excluded), in imitation of Jesus Christ’s fasting in the wilderness before he began his public ministry. In Eastern churches Lent begins on the Monday of the seventh week before Easter and ends on the Friday that is nine days before Easter. This 40-day “Great Lent” includes Saturdays and Sundays as relaxed fast days."

According to English Oxford Living Dictionaries: "(in the Christian Church) the period preceding Easter, which is devoted to fasting, abstinence, and penitence in commemoration of Christ's fasting in the wilderness. In the Western Church it runs from Ash Wednesday to Holy Saturday, and so includes forty weekdays."

@davidtaylorjr , I was raised Roman Catholic, so I have a fairly good idea of what Lent is. The reason most Reformed Christians reject Lent is that is tied directly to Roman Catholic holy week observance. Self-examination, repentance, and good works should be a daily part of each Christian's life. Looking at this from a pastoral perspective, I would not use Lent as a bullwhip against new Christians who have just come out of Roman Catholicism. Time and instruction are sufficient enough to teach the new believer that there is no need to follow the contrivances of men.

 

[HankD]

Let's see, the German Peasants War of 1524/1525 was inspired by the radical reformers of the day and occurred in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and the Netherlands and an estimated 100,000 were killed. So of course Protestants were indeed killing Catholics and vice versa. In England during the times of Henry the VIII and Elizabeth I, Catholic clergymen were ruthlessly sough out and killed and I am sure the same thing happened to the average faithful Catholic too. So there we have it, Protestants killing Catholics as well as Catholics killing Protestants - a sad time for all members of the Body of Christ for sure.

As for Orthodox Christianity, it consists of those who have a belief in the 7 Sacraments, a teaching that has been around since the beginning of the newly forming Universal Christian Church. Among other things it has an ordained clergy called Priests and Bishops, practices infant baptism, and has a lead Bishop who is called a Pope (Western Rite) or a Patriarch or Metropolitan (Eastern Rite).

I am sure that you know that after first great schism in Christianity in the 11th century, the Eastern Orthodox Church continued to believe in the 7 Sacrament teachings. You on the other hand, who now follows the Baptist faith tradition have indeed rejected orthodox Christianity as it has always been known. Is that not so?

It is true that I do not claim to be a Protestant. A label that I reject
As a former Catholic I am best described as a separatist.

2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Salvation and Sanctifying Grace comes directly from God alone, not through sacraments nor even the Mediatrix of all graces.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

There is only one priesthood of which all believers participate.

1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
...
1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a purchased people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:

Therefore I do not accept your definition of "Orthodox" Christianity but that which is partially outlined by the scriptures given above.

Also I do not deny your status as a true believer as there seems to be that true kernel of faith in you which is dependent on Jesus Christ as Savior (along with a great deal of unnecessary baggage).

 

[HankD]

Internet is right in front of you.

I cannot provide NONEXISTENT evidence.

 

[Ran the Man]

I cannot provide NONEXISTENT evidence.

Its not nonexistent. Its well known.

 

[Ran the Man]

It is true that I do not claim to be a Protestant. A label that I reject
As a former Catholic I am best described as a separatist.

2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Salvation and Sanctifying Grace comes directly from God alone, not through sacraments nor even the Mediatrix of all graces.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

There is only one priesthood of which all believers participate.

1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
...
1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a purchased people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:

Therefore I do not accept your definition of "Orthodox" Christianity but that which is partially outlined by the scriptures given above.

Also I do not deny your status as a true believer as there seems to be that true kernel of faith in you which is dependent on Jesus Christ as Savior (along with a great deal of unnecessary baggage.

By the way 1 Timothy 2:5 says mediator not intercessor. A mediator is someone who establishes a new covenant. An intercessor is someone who interferes or parts on your behalf.
If there were only one intercession, no one could pray for anyone.
There is one MEDIATOR not one INTERCESSOR.

 

[Ran the Man]

By the way 1 Timothy 2:5 says mediator not intercessor. A mediator is someone who establishes a new covenant. An intercessor is someone who interceeds or prays on your behalf.
If there were only one intercessor, no one could pray for anyone.
There is one MEDIATOR not one INTERCESSOR.

 

[utilyan]

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