Are Physical Jews Extinct?

[1689Dave]

There are ohysical descendants of Abraham in Modern israel, and the saved one are also his spiritual descendants!

But without circumcision they are not Abraham's physical seed.

“And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.” (Genesis 17:14)

 

[Yeshua1]

But without circumcision they are not Abraham's physical seed.

“And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.” (Genesis 17:14)

Jews no longer circuncise on 8th day?

 

[1689Dave]

Jews no longer circuncise on 8th day?

Even if they did it no longer works in making one a biblical Jew or member of Israel.

 

[1689Dave]

There are ohysical descendants of Abraham in Modern israel, and the saved one are also his spiritual descendants!

But physical members were cut off if not circumcised.

 

[Yeshua1]

But physical members were cut off if not circumcised.

Were not seen as being aprt of the OC people, but still alive!

 

[Yeshua1]

Even if they did it no longer works in making one a biblical Jew or member of Israel.

They would still be obeying God what was given under the OC to them, so why not a jew?

 

[Covenanter]

Jesus stated that the Jews would not disappear a sa people, and would be ubto His own Second Coming, correct?

As usual your incorrect tweets are wrong. Unless, of course, you have a reference that supports your tweet. You are probably thinking of Jesus' reference to "this generation" that would live to see the destruction.

What you should be thinking of also is his warning that was clearly understood by the Jewish leaders -

Mat. 21:18 Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19 Seeing a fig-tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, ‘May you never bear fruit again!’ Immediately the tree withered.​

43 ‘Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44 Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.’
45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them.

There's a false doctrine going around that there are no actual physical Jews, descendants of Judah, Benjamin, or Levi, left. One branch of this doctrine says those who claim to be Jews are actually "Ashkenazim". Yes, there ARE Ashkenazim masquerading as Jews, but there are also many REAL Jews. Otherwise, Scripture would be incorrect, as God said He would restore both Judah and Israel , make them one nation again, & make them great.

Here's the origin of the Ashkenazi - Gen 9:27 May God enlarge Japheth, And may he dwell in the tents of Shem; And may Canaan be his servant.”

Yes, GOD prophesied the rise of the Ashkenazi., and He also spoke of their "fate", those who don't accept Christ, that is -

Rev. 3:
9 Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.

So, God WILL separate the REAL Jews from the Ashkenazim when the time comes. Right now, it's hard to do as most Jews have lost their genealogies. However, a good number can trace theirs back to Roman days when the Ashkenazi were a small minority.

BUT LET NNE BELIEVE THE REAL JEWS ARE EXTINCT! THAT'S AGAINST SCRIPTURE!

Only God knows who of those who call themselves "Jews" are physically descended from Abraham. There are likely to be many physically descended from Abraham who make no such claims - those descended from the many thousands who responded to the Gospel, & also those who converted to Islam. God knows those who are his.

The great Covenant promise -

Jer. 31:33 ‘This is the covenant that I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,’ declares the Lord.
‘I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God, and they will be my people.​

- establishes the real, living & eternal New Covenant relationship of the LORD with his people.

Not just physical Israel but all who are called by the Gospel -

Hosea 2:23 I will plant her for myself in the land;
I will show my love to the one I called “Not my loved one”.
I will say to those called “Not my people”, “You are my people”;
and they will say, “You are my God.”’​

- verses quoted by Paul to show God calls both Jews & Gentiles to be his people -

Rom. 9:
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath – prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory – 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25 As he says in Hosea:
‘I will call them “my people” who are not my people;
and I will call her “my loved one” who is not my loved one,’​

Roman 9 comes before Romans 11 & shows that believing Jews are certainly counted in, with Gentiles also counted as "my people." The idea that God abandoned Israel aka the Jews for 2,000 years because they rejected their Messiah is foreign to Scripture. The idea that God's chosen people could be rejected for 60 generations is surely an insult to the character of a God of love.

His warning in the commandments limits his anger to 3-4 generations. The Jewish leaders who rejected Jesus were old enough to have grandchildren, so 3-4 generations would include those who grew up & lived to reject the Gospel. The self curse of the mob was cancelled by the Gospel -

Mat. 27:25 All the people answered, ‘His blood is on us and on our children!’

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, ‘Repent and be baptised, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off – for all whom the Lord our God will call.’
40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, ‘Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.’ 41 Those who accepted his message were baptised, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.​

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[1689Dave]

They would still be obeying God what was given under the OC to them, so why not a jew?

Christ abolished the Old Covenant.

 

[percho]

Jesus is Abraham's Seed, not the physical Jews. And only those united to him by faith are members of Israel. God broke off the unbelievers from Israel in Romans 11. He will reattach any who accept Christ.

“And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?” (Romans 11:23–24)

For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.Heb 7:14

Was Juda not a physical Jew?

 

[Yeshua1]

As usual your incorrect tweets are wrong. Unless, of course, you have a reference that supports your tweet. You are probably thinking of Jesus' reference to "this generation" that would live to see the destruction.

What you should be thinking of also is his warning that was clearly understood by the Jewish leaders -

Mat. 21:18 Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19 Seeing a fig-tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, ‘May you never bear fruit again!’ Immediately the tree withered.​

43 ‘Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44 Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.’
45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them.



Only God knows who of those who call themselves "Jews" are physically descended from Abraham. There are likely to be many physically descended from Abraham who make no such claims - those descended from the many thousands who responded to the Gospel, & also those who converted to Islam. God knows those who are his.

The great Covenant promise -

Jer. 31:33 ‘This is the covenant that I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,’ declares the Lord.
‘I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God, and they will be my people.​

- establishes the real, living & eternal New Covenant relationship of the LORD with his people.

Not just physical Israel but all who are called by the Gospel -

Hosea 2:23 I will plant her for myself in the land;
I will show my love to the one I called “Not my loved one”.
I will say to those called “Not my people”, “You are my people”;
and they will say, “You are my God.”’​

- verses quoted by Paul to show God calls both Jews & Gentiles to be his people -

Rom. 9:
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath – prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory – 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25 As he says in Hosea:
‘I will call them “my people” who are not my people;
and I will call her “my loved one” who is not my loved one,’​

Roman 9 comes before Romans 11 & shows that believing Jews are certainly counted in, with Gentiles also counted as "my people." The idea that God abandoned Israel aka the Jews for 2,000 years because they rejected their Messiah is foreign to Scripture. The idea that God's chosen people could be rejected for 60 generations is surely an insult to the character of a God of love.

His warning in the commandments limits his anger to 3-4 generations. The Jewish leaders who rejected Jesus were old enough to have grandchildren, so 3-4 generations would include those who grew up & lived to reject the Gospel. The self curse of the mob was cancelled by the Gospel -

Mat. 27:25 All the people answered, ‘His blood is on us and on our children!’

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, ‘Repent and be baptised, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off – for all whom the Lord our God will call.’
40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, ‘Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.’ 41 Those who accepted his message were baptised, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.​

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Jesus reference was that the Jews of HIS time would see the kingdom pass from Jews to the Gentiles, but that national israel was still to havea final reconing withGod at Second Event, as jesus woudl then have them call out "blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord"

 

[Yeshua1]

Christ abolished the Old Covenant.

National israel still under it though...

 

[1689Dave]

For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.Heb 7:14

Was Juda not a physical Jew?

Jesus was born under the Law. But when he abolished circumcision he took away the means of becoming a physical biblical Jew and physical member of Israel. Faith in Christ is the only means we have to become members of Israel.

 

[1689Dave]

National israel still under it though...

Not in the least. Christ abolished the Old COvenant and they use the Talmud instead.

 

[Yeshua1]

Not in the least. Christ abolished the Old COvenant and they use the Talmud instead.

They still do circumcision, correct? and they still use im templke the OT scriptures, correct?

 

[Covenanter]

Jesus was the fulfillment of the OC prophecies - see Luke 24 -

19 ‘What things?’ he asked.
‘About Jesus of Nazareth,’ they replied. ‘He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 20 The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel.

25 He said to them, ‘How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?’ 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.​

Jesus did indeed redeem Israel to fulfill OC prophecy. He gave his Apostles the great commission which began in Jerusalem at Pentecost when 3,000 Jews from every nation under heaven believed & formed the church.

Vast numbers of Jews including priests & Pharisees believed in the time immediately after Pentecost. The holy nation was born in a day, & soon Gentiles were counted in. Note the way Peter refers to the OC promise -

Exo. 19:5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.”

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.​

That wonderful status was established at Pentecost. It is ours in Christ, through the Gospel & includes believing Jews. Jews are welcome regardless of the ethnicity together with everyone on earth.

 

[Covenanter]

Jesus reference was that the Jews of HIS time would see the kingdom pass from Jews to the Gentiles, but that national israel was still to havea final reconing withGod at Second Event, as jesus woudl then have them call out "blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord"

That tweet reply is 7 minutes after mine was posted. Go back & read what you replied to.

I don't understand "reconing" but if you look at the context of the Scripture you quote -

Mat. 23:38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.”’​

- you will see that a day or two before Jesus was welcomed by the crowds with those words. It's not a distant prophecy, but a word to them, the people he was rebuking.

 

[HankD]

If circumcision no longer makes one a physical member of Israel, unbelievers are not Israel. Judaism = religion = Jews practice it = not biblical Jews or biblical Judaism.

Your proposition doesn't make sense to me.

One thing is true and is this what you are saying?:

Jews today do not practice Biblical Judaism but something called Talmudic Judaism.

Actually they cannot practice Biblical Judaism because the temple no longer exists with no viable priesthood to officiate over the 613 mitzvouth (Torah commandments).

However by practice they are circumcised, they are Jews whether Biblical or Talmudic.

 

[Yeshua1]

That tweet reply is 7 minutes after mine was posted. Go back & read what you replied to.

I don't understand "reconing" but if you look at the context of the Scripture you quote -

Mat. 23:38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.”’​

- you will see that a day or two before Jesus was welcomed by the crowds with those words. It's not a distant prophecy, but a word to them, the people he was rebuking.

This was Jesus informing them that he shall return to the jewish people, at the Socond Coming, anf THEN they will indeed receive him with joy, as that day israel shall be reborn, as in Ezeckiel 37-38 states to us!

 

[Yeshua1]

Your proposition doesn't make sense to me.

One thing is true and is this what you are saying?:

Jews today do not practice Biblical Judaism but something called Talmudic Judaism.

Actually they cannot practice Biblical Judaism because the temple no longer exists with no viable priesthood to officiate over the 613 mitzvouth (Torah commandments).

However by practice they are circumcised, they are Jews whether Biblical or Talmudic.

They really want to rebuild a temple, in ordeto reistate to them what they see as "Biblical Judaism"

 

[HankD]

They really want to rebuild a temple, in ordeto reistate to them what they see as "Biblical Judaism"

Don't be surprised when they do just that.

Probably at the cost of bloodshed.

Check this out...

Top Israeli Rabbi Believes Trump Will Build Third Temple in Jerusalem