Are their current forum members who would like to discuss the Sabbath?

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

What tragedy since Jesus Christ the Sabbath found its protectors and adherents among those who deny and reject His Divinity .... who are no different than the Jews though they call themselves Christians.

 

[BobRyan]

So "anyway".... the post I provided with details about the Sabbath in earlier centuries appears to be going unchallenged.

Ther article I am talking about was not written by Eric Liddle -
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57978

It was written by By Joe Kovacs -- [SIZE=-1]© 2010 WorldNetDaily [/SIZE]

There is a one sentence statement in Kovac's article stating -

Conversely, the 1981 film "Chariots of Fire" was based on the true story of Eric Liddell, a Scottish sprinter and Christian missionary who disqualified himself from his best event at the 1924 Olympics because the race was on Sunday – the Sabbath in his view.

But the article does not even go into that story - it just makes a side reference to the fact that it happened.

Second - if you think that the dispute over the Ten Commandments and over the 4th commandment in particular suddenly came up in the 19th century - you need to spend some more quality time with church history.

Seventh-day Baptists - In 1665, Stephen and Anne Mumford carry the seventh-day Sabbath to the New World.

The edict of Milan 313 A.D is an example of an early assault on Sabbath keeping among Christians.

According to a 5th century historian, Socrates Scholasticus, almost all churches throughout the world celebrated the sacred mysteries on the sabbath every week during those days, except in Alexandria and Rome where the Christians ceased to do this because of ancient traditions. The Romans and the early Christians, in order to avoid the stigma of the Jews, started to worship on Sunday instead on Saturday to avoid “Judaizing”.

This was favorable for the emperor and his pagan followers. So, on March 7, 321 A.D., Constantine decreed that Sunday, the first day of the week be observed as a civic day of rest from ordinary work and business.​

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Too much material to post - but imagining that nothing happened until the 19th century seems like a pipe dream.

I recommend reading the details in that article before leaping to wild conclusions.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[billwald]

It is cheap and easy to pick a minority example of historical data that supports one's opinion and ignore the rest. I suspect that a large percentage of the people on this list reject the ecumenical creeds but push the trivia.

 

[BobRyan]

I am just pointing to history that "needs to be ignored" if one wants to make up the idea that the controversy over rebellion against the 4th commandment only surfaced in the last 100 years and that prior to that nobody noticed the problem.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Don't worry, dear BobRyan, the Sabbath shall nor revive before the Lord comes again and we shall be where He is on the New Earth .... O that we may find solace in the promise, and don't maim ourselves and call down fire from heaven over our Sabbath-offering to a God who won't accept it.

 

[BobRyan]

It is cheap and easy to pick a minority example of historical data that supports one's opinion and ignore the rest. I suspect that a large percentage of the people on this list reject the ecumenical creeds but push the trivia.

When someone makes a sweeping statement about there being no historic evidence of controversy over the Sabbath question until the last 150 years or so - they cannot then complain when the inconvenient details of history do not support such wild claims. It is not "cheap" to point to the details of history that refute wild claims.

There are some who would not let inconvenient facts get in the way of a good story - and they will ever be confronted by details that do not support some of their storytelling. Not much I can do about that.

in Christ,

Bob