Are there any ex-catholics on this forum?

[MennoSota]

Why are you bragging about this?

Who is the mediator between us and God?

 

[John Yurich]

Who is the mediator between us and God?

Jesus is the mediator between us and God.

 

[MennoSota]

Hello, Though I "swam" the other way across the Tiber as an adult (That is, I became a Catholic), I would like to echo what Adonia said. In my experience, former non-Catholics often look fondly upon their non-Catholic upbringings. In contrast, many who leave the Church look back with loathing. One case I'd recommend, which involves a person leaving the Catholic Church, is the case of Frank Beckwith. Mr. Beckwith wrote a book called "Return to Rome" in which he recounts his leaving the Church. The book is titled as it is because he did finally return (leaving his post as the President of the Evangelical Theological Society at the time), but his book goes into some detail concerning the process he went through which had led him away from the Catholic Faith.

In Him,

Herbert

I find that theologically ignorant Protestants so poorly understand their Bibles as to embrace anything claiming to be virtuous. Thus protestants who move to the Roman church just don't know any better, but their feelings tell them they like the way of the liturgy.
America has a culturally christian society that is mostly biblically ignorant. It is a sad thing and seeker friendly churches do nothing to help out the cause.

 

[MennoSota]

Your Calvinism is slipping. God only wants his elect to come to truth.


Does God love John Yurich?


I can say God loves You, Me and John and wants all three of us to come to the truth.

Can you say the same? Am I Elect? Does God love me?

It's not a matter of want.

All humanity is in a dead on sprint toward hell. God just chooses to stop a few of the masses from plunging themselves into the abyss.

I don't know if God loves you enough to refrain you from jumping into the abyss. Has God chosen to adopt you, make you his child and spare you from the effects of your own sin, utilyan?

 

[lanman87]

Hello.
Are you looking for arguments against the Church? If so, I can't help you. However, perhaps I can help you in another way. Let your son find his way -- if that's in the Catholic Church, then that's wonderful. If not, then that's ok too -- the important thing is that he love and serve our Lord -- which he can do in either Catholic or Protestant churches. I had to make peace with knowing that my daughter-in-law is not attending the local Catholic church, but going to a Protestant one. Once I realized that she is finding her way back to God, then I was okay with that. Well... honestly -- I would prefer that she would come back to the Church, but what's important is that she is engaged in worshiping God and Jesus and coming to Them. Trust in the Lord. He will lead your son where He wants him to be. Remember -- His will, not ours (and sometimes, that's really hard!) May the Peace of Christ be with you.

I'm not looking for arguments one way or another. I was hoping someone could share some of the how and why they left Catholicism.

After researching this for several months I'm started to see a (very unscientific) trend in why the majority folks move to the RCC or away from the RCC.

 

[utilyan]

It's not a matter of want.

All humanity is in a dead on sprint toward hell. God just chooses to stop a few of the masses from plunging themselves into the abyss.

I don't know if God loves you enough to refrain you from jumping into the abyss. Has God chosen to adopt you, make you his child and spare you from the effects of your own sin, utilyan?

I could not go to hell even without God's help. I am not the creator.

I know God loves you. He declares every time you sin that is NOT what he WANTS you to do.

If he didn't love you, he wouldn't bother mentioning you were a sinner.

 

[Yeshua1]

Did I state anything about a Catholic not attending a Baptist Church or any other Evangelical Protestant Church? No I did not. I stated that a Catholic who becomes Born Again by reason of having given their life to Christ can attend the local Catholic parish on Saturday and then attend the local Baptist or some other Evangelical Protestant Church on Sunday mornings. They would be getting sound doctrines attending an Evangelical Protestant Church on Sunday mornings. So it is totally superfluous if a Catholic who becomes Born Again attends both the Catholic and an Evangelical Protestant Church.

Again, why would they want to even stay in a church that defines the Gospel in a different fashion from the scriptures themselves!

 

[Yeshua1]

James White says neither Jesus, the apostles, hearer's of our lord, or immediate successors of the apostle believed in Sola Scriptura.

James Also admits scripture is not sufficient.

Sola Scriptura is a unbiblical false doctrine. There is tons of lines in the bible that says the bible is right, amen. tons that says the bible is true, amen. tons of lines that says the bible is important, amen. ZERO lines that say it is the final and only rule of authority.


Here in the video at 2:03:52, you will hear James White crash and burn as he has to admit Sola Scriptura was never practice of the church.

The truth is that the prophets/Jesus/Apostles ALL agreed and stated that the scriptures ALONE are a true revelation from God!

 

[Yeshua1]

Your Calvinism is slipping. God only wants his elect to come to truth.


Does God love John Yurich?


I can say God loves You, Me and John and wants all three of us to come to the truth.

Can you say the same? Am I Elect? Does God love me?

Do you accept That Jesus ALONE can save you, and that salvation is a free gift from God, and that Goid requires nothing else by you except faith in jesus to save you?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

God commands us to be seperate and come out from among them!

show me where?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Your Calvinism is slipping. God only wants his elect to come to truth.


Does God love John Yurich?


I can say God loves You, Me and John and wants all three of us to come to the truth.

Can you say the same? Am I Elect? Does God love me?

All of us???....then why doesnt that happen?

BTW you guys are moving off point of this thread & you arent helping answer the OP question.

 

[John Yurich]

Again, why would they want to even stay in a church that defines the Gospel in a different fashion from the scriptures themselves!

Because I like the liturgical worship of the Catholic Church. But I also like the non liturgical worship of that Baptist Church.

 

[utilyan]

I'm not looking for arguments one way or another. I was hoping someone could share some of the how and why they left Catholicism.

After researching this for several months I'm started to see a (very unscientific) trend in why the majority folks move to the RCC or away from the RCC.

The best way to get Catholics to leave Catholicism is to LIE about what Catholics believe.

Vilify the catholic and present teachings that are not catholic as catholic.

Example: Catholics worship Mary, Catholics are pagans, the Catholic is in league with the devil. the Catholic worships people and saints, the catholic teach salvation by works, Catholics don't believe in the bible.


The only way to defeat Catholics is if we make up what they believe and present it as something they actually believe.


What you don't want to do is admit what they believe what they actually teach, stay away from church history. Make sure from the moment Jesus dies poof the church disappears and teleport it to 1500.

Do not study anything between 1500-33 ad.

Don’t Read Scott Hahn

Don’t Read Church History

Don’t Read the Early Church Fathers

Don’t Meet Any practicing Catholics

Don't pick up a rosary or pray about it.

Don't let a nun pray for you. The Penguins got a strange knack for getting what they pray for. They will actually spend hours praying to a Eucharist bread.

Folks often mistake the church structure hierarchy thinking some pastor or pope is the top dog. Its the Saint who you have to look out for. They are not always obvious like a Mother Theresa. These loose cannons are like catholic jedi. They transcend titles.


Don't run into the devil. When stuff really goes down and you need exorcist, Catholic holy water actually works against vampires.

A question often asked is How are Catholics able to perform Exorcisms if their beliefs are unbiblical.

Folks will be very reluctant to get Catholics till things get REAL Often this is followed with the only reason catholic can exorcise demons is we are on the same side, same accusation Jesus would get for doing the same thing.

 

[utilyan]

Do you accept That Jesus ALONE can save you, and that salvation is a free gift from God, and that Goid requires nothing else by you except faith in jesus to save you?

Well if God asked why should he let me in heaven, I would not credit my faith nor would I credit my works but because Jesus died on the cross for me.

I can have all faith as to move mountains that doesn't qualify me.

I can know all scripture backwards and fowards that doesn't qualify me.

1 Corinthians 13
2If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

 

[lanman87]

I've read Scott Hahn, (and even watched some youtube videos of him and also of Steve Ray) I'm reading my third book on church history and I've been reading the church fathers and I've been asking questions to practicing Catholics.

I'm no closer to becoming a Catholic than day one of this journey.

 

[saved41199]

I was born, raised and educated Roman Catholic. By the time I graduated from a Catholic high school I was pretty much an atheist. I went back after my children were born, got sucked into the whole Marian apparitions thing, etc. However, it always seemed that I was trying to "prove" to God that I was good enough to love...as I followed Catholicism's demands on me. Daily Mass, Rosary, Adoration, etc. Every flipping day. Yet, I still never, ever felt God. Fast forward a few years...I finally READ the bible...and honestly couldn't find Catholicism in it. Virtually no mention of Mary, yet there was Jeremiah 17:2 (which is also why I won't put up a Christmas tree), I argued that it was in a "protestant bible" yet there was the same thing in my Catholic bible. As I read and studied more and more, I realized that I had to leave Catholicism. 1 Timothy 3:2 gives the lie to priestly celibacy. There are many examples but those are just a few of them. With careful research, one can find many, many scriptures that directly contradict Catholic beliefs.

 

[MennoSota]

Jesus is the mediator between us and God.

"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." ~ESV

No need for a priest to bring confession when we can go to the High Priest who is our mediator.

 

[MennoSota]

I could not go to hell even without God's help. I am not the creator.

I know God loves you. He declares every time you sin that is NOT what he WANTS you to do.

If he didn't love you, he wouldn't bother mentioning you were a sinner.

Does God love you, utilyan? Has He reached down and stopped you from jumping into the abyss?

 

[Yeshua1]

show me where?

Can light have fellowship with darkness? And the Great Whore of religion, whom could well be the RCC in the end days, God calls us to get out of there!

 

[Yeshua1]

Because I like the liturgical worship of the Catholic Church. But I also like the non liturgical worship of that Baptist Church.

Evewn though the RCC worships in vain?