Best way is to allow the Holy Spirit to convict them, as once saved, he will NOT want them to partake of a church that teaches a false gospel message!The best way to get Catholics to leave Catholicism is to LIE about what Catholics believe.
Vilify the catholic and present teachings that are not catholic as catholic.
Example: Catholics worship Mary, Catholics are pagans, the Catholic is in league with the devil. the Catholic worships people and saints, the catholic teach salvation by works, Catholics don't believe in the bible.
The only way to defeat Catholics is if we make up what they believe and present it as something they actually believe.
What you don't want to do is admit what they believe what they actually teach, stay away from church history. Make sure from the moment Jesus dies poof the church disappears and teleport it to 1500.
Do not study anything between 1500-33 ad.
Don’t Read Scott Hahn
Don’t Read Church History
Don’t Read the Early Church Fathers
Don’t Meet Any practicing Catholics
Don't pick up a rosary or pray about it.
Don't let a nun pray for you. The Penguins got a strange knack for getting what they pray for. They will actually spend hours praying to a Eucharist bread.
Folks often mistake the church structure hierarchy thinking some pastor or pope is the top dog. Its the Saint who you have to look out for. They are not always obvious like a Mother Theresa. These loose cannons are like catholic jedi. They transcend titles.
Don't run into the devil. When stuff really goes down and you need exorcist, Catholic holy water actually works against vampires.
A question often asked is How are Catholics able to perform Exorcisms if their beliefs are unbiblical.
Folks will be very reluctant to get Catholics till things get REAL Often this is followed with the only reason catholic can exorcise demons is we are on the same side, same accusation Jesus would get for doing the same thing.
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RCC priesthood like that the levitical one of Old Covenant!@
so you are saying a Roman Catholic cant be saved?
No, but that the RCC itself is apostate, so the saved person should flee and find a bible teaching church!
If the RCC is apostate, then how did the person get saved in the 1st place?
By the grace of God, despite RCC bad theology!
And now you got sucked into believing what other mere mortals are telling you, and at this point it is believing what the dissenters, of the dissenters, who themselves dissented from the second level of dissenters are telling you.
Jesus was celibate. St. Paul was celibate. The other Apostles left their families and more of them were probably celibate also. Were they living a lie too?
And virtually no mention of Mary? Good grief, what Bible are you reading? The Scriptures tell us she was called by the Lord for this most important task. That she birthed Him; that she presented Him to God at Temple when He was just a babe; that she found Him at Temple when He was lost; that she was present at His first miracle; that she was there at His crucifixion; that she was there when He was resurrected and that she was there in the upper room at Pentecost. That sure is a lot of mentioning in my book. You can have your own opinion, but you can't have your own facts.
One more thing. Tell me why that when the first great schism of Christianity which occurred in the 11th century between the Eastern and Western Church's, if the Latin (Western) Rite was so wrong about everything, why didn't the Eastern Orthodox Church go full bore rebel and ditch all the doctrines of the Latin (Western) Rite and adopt the Baptist/Evangelical type theology that you now believe?
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God chose to save them. If someone in the Roman church reads their Bible, they will have God's word speaking to them. God is wonderful in that He has chosen women and men from all nations and tongues to be His children.
Where in the bible is it written that Mary is the "co-mediatrix"? Where in the bible is her assumption into heaven? Find me those 2 and I'll go to confession and Mass.
That's a poor take, Adonia. His testamony is how God's word showed him the truth.
Despite your protestation ([emoji41] ) there are people who read the Bible and find agreement in God's word without needing commentators from Rome.
Both married and unmarried can be ministers in Christ's kingdom.
There are snippets, but Mary is not a main figure in Jesus ministry years. She was probably taking care of her other children. [emoji33]
What great schism? Both groups had similar cultural backgrounds. One just saw that preachers could be married and the other didn't. Both still had a problem with idols in their churches. Both relied on the ignorance of the illiterate masses to keep followers in fear of losing their salvation. Power does that to leaders.
Not everything is written in the Bible. Theologians have come up with those things and the Church as per it's authority has seen fit to incorporate them into the life of the Church. I personally do not subscribe to all the Marion doctrines/dogmas of the Church, but I am not inclined to throw the baby out with the bathwater concerning them. That being said, Mary has had a pivotal place in the salvation narrative that cannot be denied and from the earliest days of Christianity she has been honored.
Now, kindly answer my question about the great schism between East and West.
IF I remember correctly that was about the filoque clause in the creed...so someone got their shorts in a knot over it. That was the whole thing.
Now...you repeatedly site "tradition" when it comes to the Marian doctrines. Considering Mary's lifetime would have been within the lifetimes of the apostles, I would think something big like the assumption would have been written about. It wasn't.
You have failed to convince me of anything other than your blindness to the scriptures.
Most likely after being proselytized by others. She is getting commentaries by those people, instead of by the Church as a whole.
Yes that is true, but not in the orthodox faith tradition. While our Eastern brothers have married priests, their Bishop's remain celibate.
More is said about Mary in the Scriptures than about some of the Apostles. Yes, there were probably those step-children of hers that needed attention, on that I will agree.
Yes the great schism, and it wasn't about priests being able to marry or not. It had more to do with issues like the source of the Holy Spirit and universal jurisdiction among others. But even with the split, both continued on with basically the same doctrines that had been taught for over 1000 years.
No, I did not repeatedly cite tradition, but tradition has it's place in the Christian experience. From where you are now, you would have to believe that God would allow a lie to be perpetrated on all of Christendom for over 1400 years until people like Luther, Zwingli and others came along to finally set things straight. Good grief, do you really believe such a thing?
For example, the Real Presence of Jesus in the Holy Eucharist was accepted by all of Christendom as the correct teaching for over 1400 years, even Luther held on to this. It was only one man name Zwingli who came after Luther who came up with this new teaching that this was a falsehood - and this is only one example.
Can't you really see where you are now? It is your blindness to the complete story of the Christian experience and all of it's teachings through the centuries that is the problem, not mine.
Oh how you assume! I have copies of the Catechism, The Summa, St. Jerome's Commentary, etc. in my home library. I read the bible...and came to the conclusion that the RCC was not and never was the "true church".
Umm...you do realize there were groups that DID NOT follow Rome even back in the earliest times? The RCC does not have a lock on being the only church for 1400 years. The Waldenses existed prior to Luther
Waldensians - Wikipedia
History of Independent Baptists.
Baptist History - A Brief Survey Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches - What they are and What is their History
Now, again, give me biblical PROOF of your doctrines, the order of the Mass, etc. that you claim to have existed in the early church (prior to 100AD) and I will haul my carcass to confession and Mass at the nearest Catholic church this Sunday.
So then you refuse to see and accept the historical truth. From the early days of the Christian Church there was but one, the One Universal (Catholic) Christian Church. This is the Church whose Bishop's held the Councils and Synods to decide doctrines and combat heresies. This is the Church whose worship service, the Mass, is basically the same today as it was back then.
This is the Church started by Jesus Christ to spread the faith and to shepherd the faithful, all the way to the 11th century and the great schism between East and West. And even our Eastern brothers dared not to jettison the orthodox teachings of Christianity. No, you are mistaken, totally mistaken about the whole thing. You can have your own opinion, but the facts are the facts!
Ya know, you sure say a lot but don't back it up very well...I might be a bit more impressed if you could provide references. And, as I said, i was born, raised and educated in the RC tradition. I left the RCC in 1997...after realizing many things that I had previously believed were false.I know many who left the RCC once they read the bible for themselves. So...start providing references to go along with your assertions and I MIGHT take you seriously. Otherwise, I will pray that the Holy Spirit opens your eyes to the false religion you follow where you are taught that you are never, ever good enough for the Lord...that you have to work your way to heaven through man-made rituals, seeking prayer for your departed soul to exit purgatory (which is also not biblical, as the Word says that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord), and realize that salvation is easier than what you have been taught...works-based salvation is not biblical.
Small groups that didn't amount to many followers. The Baptist faith tradition didn't come about until the 17th century and the mans name who started it was John Smyth.
You need to read the letters of St. Ignatious of Antioch who wrote about the primacy of the Bishop of Rome etc, it's all there. As for the Mass, look at your New Testament, from gathering on Sunday to worship, to receiving the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, to ordinations of clergy (the laying on of hands), to the power to forgive sins (confession) and on and on - all of them are there. You need to believe the correct biblical interpretation, not what you are believing now.
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