Featured Arminianism and Calvinism part 2

Putting words in my mouth again, I see.
Appealing to a strawman, I see.

Ignoring the second half of verse 27, I see.

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Quoting the Shema, is not making an argument. Using BIG letters only emphasize that your argument is bankrupt.

The Bible teaches that the non-elect perish. There is no purgatory or holding pen for sinners. Catholics have it absolutely wrong. I'm looking forward to the 500th anniversary of the 95 thesis this year.



So here is where I am now. Every time you make an accusation towards me or anyone else, I will challenge you to prove it from scripture. Not what you think the scripture says.

 

Yes, It would be useful.

 

So, you think that Paul is a schizophrenic? Why did you post verse 26 without meaning?

I'm not fond of cherry picking verses.

Ephesians 1English Standard Version (ESV)

Greeting

1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God,

To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus:

2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,

It's clear that Paul is speaking from every tribe, tongue and nation.

 

I'll watch your video later. We believe the only folks in heaven are the elect.

A rose by any other name is still a rose. Can you sin in heaven?


There is no sinning or evil in heaven. And nothing impure can enter heaven.

Before you enter heaven you will be purified, cleansed and purged from all evil.

Revelations 20

27and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

The key point is your going to stop sinning BEFORE you enter heaven. You are not going to be unclean.

The time and place is purgatory. If it happens at McDonald's while you order a cheeseburger, well that is purgatory.

Just admitting you will be given a glorified body......that's purgatory.


Tell me you will sin in heaven and you got me beat and purgatory is false.

But tell me you will not sin in heaven.......by whatever means, the word purgatory is just a word like rose, whatever word you want to give that particular means and time by which you finally cease sinning and are pure, I'll be just as happy to use that word. It is what it is.

Think of it as when regeneration finishes and you have been cured. Give me a word for that Time and Place. Ill just use the word purgatory till you make your own word.

 

Well thats good news because I always thought the reason I sinned was because it was my fault.

No one but Calvinist define FREE WILL that way.

Would you feel obligated to follow "theological" vocabulary where "ALL" means monkeys, "WORLD" means chickens, and "Free Will" means potatoes?

Calvinist are the minority.

 

Quote me saying I follow John Calvin. I'm a Baptist. That's why I am on the Baptist boards. I don't know any Baptists who hold to infant baptism.


But it you want to discuss/debate the OP, looking for a foreign country bordering on Turkey and Georgia won't be helpful.

Do you know who Jacob Arminius is and what he taught?

 

Sorry, you cannot begin to prove this. Ever heard of Jacob and Esau?

Romans 9:12-24

12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?

 

Our framers spoke at length about the 'tyranny' of the majority'. You should read up on it. It's a meaningless statement.

 

And appointing people.....

Acts 13:48English Standard Version (ESV)

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

 

Yeah, so? Appointment to eternal life not the subject matter. The subject is "no one seeks God" which is demonstrably false. Just look at all the unsaved people attending church.

Appointment in the verse I quoted, Acts 17:26, has to do with God putting people into history at a certain time era.

 

So, you know denying the Bible does not make you look good?

 

Even Luther believed in purgatory. It's an invention of Catholic nonsense and superstition with no scriptural support.



The Bible says that we are chosen before the foundation of the world to HIS glory, not ours.

Romans 8:30
30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

 

So, you know your misinterpretation of scripture doesn't make you look good?

 

So you can read people's minds and decide what motivates them.

The gospel being foolishness to people is not the same thing as people not seeking God.

So you can read people's minds and decide what motivates them.

Whoa! And you can read God's mind too! That's great because I have a lot of questions I'd like to ask you, his proxy.

Acts 17:26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.

 

I'm thinking you should stop speaking for Calvinists because you really cannot articulate the position very well.

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What you mean is that you can't handle Acts 13:48. If you cannot see the connection try Strongs at Acts 17:26. There is that word that so many people abuse. 'pas'

1. individually
2. each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
   
   
3. collectively
   
   1. some of all types

The Bible says that no one seeks for God. Psalm 14 says the same.

You can hold to your own beliefs, but the scriptures refute you.