Authentic Interpretation

[Silverhair]

Anyone who reads 1John should be well aware that he is not advocating sinless perfection.
You have to acknowledge what the reason they cannot sin is.
“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”
This is clearly talking about the seed of Christ. It means that when your sins were forgiven they were all forgiven and you stay saved because you are born of God. The power of the blood of Christ is such that where sin abounded, grace did much more abound.
In no way am I advocating that we frustrate the grace of God.
Shall we continue in sin that grace abound? God forbid!

But you have not addressed any of the various verses that warn of falling away from the faith that saved you.

Do you think that God will force people to be with Him that do not want to be with Him?

 

[Silverhair]

Yet another post vilifying me, rather than addressing Acts 13:48.

Really Van you are not that important that I would spend my time vilifying you. But I will point out your errors.

 

[JesusFan]

But you have not addressed any of the various verses that warn of falling away from the faith that saved you.

Do you think that God will force people to be with Him that do not want to be with Him?

God grants to the saved a regenerated heart and new nature, so that new person in Christ will desire to love and honor Jesus, but still have ole fresh nature that seeks to not be doing that still, but nothing that we can do can break the sealing of the Holy Spirit

 

[Ben1445]

But you have not addressed any of the various verses that warn of falling away from the faith that saved you.

Do you think that God will force people to be with Him that do not want to be with Him?

If they didn’t want to be with Him, they would not be saved. There will be lots of people who want the culture of Christianity and make claim to things that are incredible.
Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

But instead of saying you turned back from me, I don’t know you anymore, He said I never knew you.

If Scripture doesn’t teach losing salvation, I don’t think it necessary that OSAS be taught every time the NT writers addressed backsliding Christians in the churches.
Seeing rather that John teaches that someone who is saved is not attributed sin when the Holy Spirit dwells in them, I view any Scripture that reprimands believers for their behavior as addressing the backsliding rather than the recently made a child of hell.

 

[Silverhair]

God grants to the saved a regenerated heart and new nature, so that new person in Christ will desire to love and honor Jesus, but still have ole fresh nature that seeks to not be doing that still, but nothing that we can do can break the sealing of the Holy Spirit

That is your view but what do you do with the verses that disagree with your view?

 

[Silverhair]

If they didn’t want to be with Him, they would not be saved. There will be lots of people who want the culture of Christianity and make claim to things that are incredible.
Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

But instead of saying you turned back from me, I don’t know you anymore, He said I never knew you.

If Scripture doesn’t teach losing salvation, I don’t think it necessary that OSAS be taught every time the NT writers addressed backsliding Christians in the churches.
Seeing rather that John teaches that someone who is saved is not attributed sin when the Holy Spirit dwells in them, I view any Scripture that reprimands believers for their behavior as addressing the backsliding rather than the recently made a child of hell.

Then you need to actually address the verses that say man does fall away.

The OSAS theory is dangerous as it can lead people to think their lifestyle does not matter, they have their ticket.

God will keep those that continue to believe but does not force them to continue to believe.

That is the problem that you are not looking at.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart G868 (G5695) from the faith G4102, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, {G868 to fall away, become faithless}

Realize that one can not fall away from something they do not believe.

 

[JesusFan]

That is your view but what do you do with the verses that disagree with your view?

Such as?

 

[JesusFan]

Then you need to actually address the verses that say man does fall away.

The OSAS theory is dangerous as it can lead people to think their lifestyle does not matter, they have their ticket.

God will keep those that continue to believe but does not force them to continue to believe.

That is the problem that you are not looking at.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart G868 (G5695) from the faith G4102, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, {G868 to fall away, become faithless}

Realize that one can not fall away from something they do not believe.

MUST accept the truth as Jesus told us plainly, that ALL whom the Father gives unto Him shall never perish, as he will raise them up on the last day period

 

[Silverhair]

Such as?

1Ti_4:1, Heb_6:4-6, 2Pe_2:20, 2Th_2:3, Heb_10:38-39, 1Th_3:8, 2Pe_1:10

As these verses show some men will follow false teachings and thus fall, some for a season others to their destruction. We as Christians must always be on guard and hold fast to the truth. We are secure in Christ as long as we remain in Christ thru faith. Col_1:21-23

As long as you have the desire and will to remain in the faith of Christ, you are being saved. Even when, not if, you sin and then fall under conviction that's the Holy Spirit working in you. If you worry about your salvation, then the Spirit is still working in you. It is when a person becomes deaf or insensitive to the prompting of the Spirit that salvation can be said to have been forsaken, not by God but by the person.

 

[Silverhair]

MUST accept the truth as Jesus told us plainly, that ALL whom the Father gives unto Him shall never perish, as he will raise them up on the last day period

Those that believe, unless you think He is going to force non believers into heaven?

I actually believe all that God has told us. Which also includes the fact that some will fall away from the faith