AV1611 Translator Sidenotes 2: Matthew

[Ed Edwards]

S.Matthew 24:31 (KJV1611):

And hee shall send his Angels
with ||a great sound of a trumpet
and they shall gather together his Elect
from the foure windes, from one
end of heauen to the other.

Sidenote: ||Or, with a Trumpet and
a great sound.

S.Matthew 24:31 (KJV1611alt):

And hee shall send his Angels
with a Trumpet and a great sound
and they shall gather together his Elect
from the foure windes, from one
end of heauen to the other.

I like it

the alt matches better with with Paul:

1 Thessalonians 4:16 (KJV1769):

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven
with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel,
and with the trump of God:
and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

 

[aefting]

Geneva Matthew 23:18 And whosoeuer sweareth by the altar, it is nothing: but whosoeuer sweareth by the offering that is vpon it, offendeth.

KJVMatthew 23:18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.

BishopsMatthew 23:18 And whosoeuer sweareth by the aulter, it is nothyng: but whosoeuer sweareth by the gyft that is vponn it, he is a detter.

TyndaleMatthew 23:18 And whosoever sweareth by the aulter it is nothinge: but whosoever sweareth by the offeringe that lyeth on the aultre offendeth.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Thanks aefting - I was afraid that the AV1611 came up with "guilty" (inaccurate English word) based on Geneva/Bishop/Great/Tyndale. But those versions got it right.

Offend, debtor, et al. Not "guilty".

So what WAS the motivation of inserting that word in this particular text?

 

[skanwmatos]

Dr. Bob are you joining the ranks of the KJVOs who believe synonyms are not really the same?

 

[Precepts]

Originally posted by Archangel7:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Precepts:

How does one "see" the wind? I know I can see the effects of the wind, I can see the effects of a boistrous wind, but i have never actually seen the wind.

Presumably one "sees the wind" the same way Moses and the Israelites "saw the thunderings" and "the noise of the trumpet" --

"And all the people SAW THE THUNDERINGS, and the lightnings, AND THE NOISE OF THE TRUMPET, and the mountain smoking: and when the people SAW it, they removed, and stood afar off" (Ex. 20:18, KJV).

NasV: New advancements in storybook visualizations

Then does that make the kjV "Old advancements in storybook visualizations?"

</font>[/QUOTE]Yes they did "perceive"/saw the thundersings, the lightnings, the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking, you fail to understand the English, but we'll forgive your ignorance.

 

[Precepts]

I'm afraid the Greek has gotten the best of you and you don't understand English rules of grammar.


It is considered a violation of correct grammar to repeat the same noun. But it is correct to use a noun that is synonymous to the former noun holding the same value. No wonder yall don't undertsand the Word of God, you don't understand English.

 

[Orvie]

Originally posted by Precepts:
Yes they did "perceive"/saw the thundersings, the lightnings, the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking, you fail to understand the English, but we'll forgive your ignorance.

Pre- Did ya just get home from, "church"?

 

[Orvie]

Originally posted by Precepts:
I'm afraid the Greek has gotten the best of you and you don't understand English rules of grammar.


It is considered a violation of correct grammar to repeat the same noun. But it is correct to use a noun that is synonymous to the former noun holding the same value. No wonder yall don't undertsand the Word of God, you don't understand English.

Anybody remember Charlie Brown's teacher? blah, blah, blah, blah

 

[Precepts]

I perceive you saw that to be correct, but what clothes am I wearing?

 

[Orvie]

The "Emperor" has no clothes

 

[Precepts]

Originally posted by Orvie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Precepts:
I'm afraid the Greek has gotten the best of you and you don't understand English rules of grammar.


It is considered a violation of correct grammar to repeat the same noun. But it is correct to use a noun that is synonymous to the former noun holding the same value. No wonder yall don't undertsand the Word of God, you don't understand English.

Anybody remember Charlie Brown's teacher? blah, blah, blah, blah </font>[/QUOTE]I perceive you saw what was written on her chalk board and learned how to exert her teaching.

 

[Precepts]

Good. I hope you're not getting your jollies watching the "Emporer" in the nude.

 

[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by Precepts:
It is considered a violation of correct grammar to repeat the same noun.

Kinda like:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

or maybe:

"The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world."

 

[Precepts]

No, Scott, kinda like verse 16 the "debtor" is swearing by the gold of the temple and in verse 18 the "guilty" is swearing by the gift on the altar. Two different thoughts require two different descriptive nouns, sorry, but good try.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Two different nouns needed? YOU THINK GOD ERRED when he used two SAME nouns?

Debtor = Debtor.

Does not mean "guilty". Never has, never will.

But you know that, just can't admit it.

 

[Precepts]

Also, sorry you don't understand the passage, the debt of swearing by the gold of the temple can be repaid by other than the one making the vow, the "gift" is a "blood" sacrifice and the life is lost and the one who breaks the vow can only be the debtor of the vow, but then he alone is then guilty of the loss of the life of the sacrifce and it's blood. No one can repay his debt, he is GUILTY.

I come in the name of the Lord, curse me if you will, but I recommend you abstain.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Why would I curse you? The Bible says, "Comfort the feebleminded".

BTW, what did Mr T always say about folks?

 

[Precepts]

Originally posted by Dr. Bob Griffin:
Two different nouns needed? YOU THINK GOD ERRED when he used two SAME nouns?

Debtor = Debtor.

Does not mean "guilty". Never has, never will.

But you know that, just can't admit it.

Debtor does too mean guilty in this case, you refuse to admit the debtor is guilty in the offense of making a vow by sacrifice then breaking it. A debtor is only a debtor when he breaks his vow by the gold of the temple.

The guilty of breaking man's law owe a debt to society, the guilty of breaking a vow by sacrifice owe a debt they can never repay.

Sorry you can't see this, read further into the passage, please.

 

[Precepts]

Then give thyself comfort.

 

[skanwmatos]

Originally posted by Dr. Bob Griffin:
Does not mean "guilty". Never has, never will.

A person who is a debtor to the law is guilty of violating the law. Seems simple enough to me, unless you are a Ruckmanite who thinks synonyms are "corruptions."