Baptism and obedience

(emphasis mine)
Do you truly believe that the Catholic Church equates to Salvation? </font>[/QUOTE]Don't you know? We are saved by grace silly.

 

I did? No, I don't see those words that you put in my mouth in my post anywhere. Therefore I cannot state that I agree or disagree with them especially since the context of them is yours. I would not say that someone who comes to the Catholic Church is guarenteed salvation so I would not agree with those words if that is the context you are presenting them in. Since I did not use them I cannot provide the context. I can provide the context for the Holy Spirit working to bring people in to the Church of Christ however since those are the words I give you now and they are equivalent to the words I gave you before.

 

No actually it's very important. That's why I teach it to my kids and that is why I will be debating that very topin in October in public forum. I just don't have time to waste on your anti-catholic manuevering and distortions at this time. Especially since I believe prayer and a good excercism is the only way to get through to you.

And yes, I know that the Holy Spirit works outside of the Catholic Church. Otherwise those who came to it would be able to claim part of their salvation for themselves. Mosquitoes do have a difficult time getting much right when it comes to teaching about scripture however. </font>[/QUOTE](italics emphasis is mine)
Does this jog your memory? </font>[/QUOTE]I am well aware of my words but I will not agree to the words that you put in my mouth as your intention is to twist and distort what I mean. I have not meant an honest anti-catholic yet.

 

(italics emphasis is mine)
Does this jog your memory? </font>[/QUOTE]Can you show me these words in there because I simply don't see where I said them:

"coming to the Catholic Church is salvation! "

They are your words as far as I can tell. From your perspective of what salvation is as I understand it, I cannot agree with your words if they are given your context. It is as simple as that. If I put my meaning to the words above, that you stated then I would agree with them. But I cannot put my context to your words and so I will not agree with them. For your word, "salvation" has a different meaning than my word "salvation". Further I find it a waste of time to get in to a real discussion on this issue with someone who could care less what I have to say and will only look for an angle on it.

Blessings

 

The word "otherwise" connects 'works outside the Catholic Church' and 'those who came to it (the Catholic church)'. followed by 'to claim part of their salvation'. Thus your thought seems to say that 'by coming to the Catholic Church there is salvation!'

Kind of like 'the cities of refuge' of the Old Testament. If you escaped and made it to a city of refuge, you were safe from retribution. </font>[/QUOTE]Like I said, it's your context not mine. This has been fun. Do play again.

 

Amen Ron. Now why couldn't they have said it like you do. And I know that the words you speak mean the same thing as if I spoke them because we are unified believers in the body of Christ. It was fun yankin his chain by the way.

 

You missed an h Yelsew and added an n Yelsew. I fixed it for you.

 

Gee,

We get told we're not Christians and are going to hell day in and day out and have our beliefs ridiculed and slammed and maligned on a daily basis and you guys here one little line that convicts your conscience and your in tears. Lost all respect? Give me a flipping break!

I pray that you people on this board are invicibly ignorant. Though with the explanation you recieve by Ron and Grant and Brother Ed, and Mike, etc. etc. That is difficult to fathom. Though God knows and he is the judge.

Blessings.

By the way, I think my pandering with Yelsew showed quite well what I intended. I would not agree to his words to me that were not the words I said because I know that the meanings that he placed on them were not the same meanings I placed on them. There is ambiguity in words and words develope differently within cultures (Catholic vs. Protestant) especially when there has been little real communication for 500 years. The word salvation for instance has a different meaning in the context of the Church that it is spoken. The lutherans see it in the context of something that can be lost, while the baptists tend to be more in the OSAS areana where one is saved when he makes the pledge for Jesus regardless of what happens afterward and other non-denoms see it from an eternal security perspective where works must flow from salvatoin.
None of these perspectives are quite Catholic though the Lutheran one is the closest.

On the other hand when Ron spoke, I knew I could agree with his words because they were in the Catholic context.

Blessings