Baptism - Sprinkled or Dunked?

[Charlie24]

Oh, ok, I see! Then to you that's what it is.

If you decide you would like to discuss it further in the future, I'll be around.

 

[Cathode]

Oh, ok, I see! Then to you that's what it is.

For us Baptism is that spiritual Circumcision, nowhere in all preceding Christianity before Zwingli was Baptism taught to be merely symbolic. I couldn’t find it, all the ancient Churches East and West unanimously taught that Baptism was the spiritual Circumcision, was Regeneration and given to infants.

That’s why the other reformers looked at Zwingli like he was nuts. He was up against the entirety of the Christian world and all preceding for 1500 years.

It was a new crazy idea Zwingli interpreted from scripture.

So you can either accept the Authority of all of the Christian world universally back to the Apostles or accept Zwingli on his own.

 

[Cathode]

I just thought of something else to add to the conversation.

1 Cor. 1:17

"For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect."

Paul didn't water baptize but a very few in the beginning of his ministry. His associates and helpers did the water baptizing.

This is water baptism he is here speaking of. He let them do the water baptizing, because God didn't send Paul out to water baptize, God sent Paul out to preach the Gospel where the Holy Spirit reaches in the heart and spiritually baptizes.

Anyone can baptise, provided they use the right formula of words, have the intention to do as the church requires, and performs the proper actions.

Paul’s main mission was to preach the gospel, this is correct, Jesus sent him for the proclamation of the Faith.

 

[Charlie24]

Anyone can baptise, provided they use the right formula of words, have the intention to do as the church requires, and performs the proper actions.

Paul’s main mission was to preach the gospel, this is correct, Jesus sent him for the proclamation of the Faith.

Remember when John the Baptist came along and said this,

Matt. 3:11

"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:"

This is the spiritual baptism of Colossians 2 and Romans 6. It's the circumcision of Christ, the circumcision made without hands.

It's what we call the born-again experience.

You've probably heard the old preachers especially in the 1800's preach on it. This is before the Pentecostal Movement came around 1900 and got it all mixed up with their baptism of the Holy Spirit, which is entirely a different baptism.

 

[37818]

The real conjecture is that infants weren’t baptised.

To allow your view, that would have to be. But I am a Baptist.
Believing in believer's mmersion. Being distinct from the gospel.
Paul wrote 1 Corinthians 1:17, For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: . . .

 

[Marooncat79]

Baptized (full immersion in church baptistry of the Fourth Baptist Church of Minneapolis) on Easter Sunday (April 5, 1958) a year after I was born again.

My wife Teresa was baptized by immersion THE SAME DAY 860 miles away in the baptistry of Calvary Baptist Church of Casper, Wyoming.

Always smile when I see artists' portrayal of John baptizing Jesus standing waist-deep in the Jordan River and John dribbling a few drops on Jesus' head. Defies imagination how a dribble on the brow replaced going down into the water, buried, rose again and up out of the water.

John 3:23

Why would it matter if “there was much water there” if JtB was baptizing there?

It takes very little to sprinkle, but a lot or “much” seems to have mattered to the text

 

[Cathode]

Remember when John the Baptist came along and said this,

Matt. 3:11

"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:"

This is the spiritual baptism of Colossians 2 and Romans 6. It's the circumcision of Christ, the circumcision made without hands.

It's what we call the born-again experience.

You've probably heard the old preachers especially in the 1800's preach on it. This is before the Pentecostal Movement came around 1900 and got it all mixed up with their baptism of the Holy Spirit, which is entirely a different baptism.

“One Lord, one faith, one baptism”


“Now, seeing that they [Pelagians] admit the necessity of baptizing infants,–finding themselves unable to contravene that authority of the universal Church, which has been unquestionably handed down by the Lord and His apostles,–they cannot avoid the further concession, that infants require the same benefits of the Mediator, in order that, being washed by the sacrament and charity of the faithful, and thereby incorporated into the body of Christ, which is the Church, they may be reconciled to God, and so live in Him, and be saved, and delivered, and redeemed, and enlightened. But from what, if not from death, and the vices, and guilt, and thraldom, and darkness of sin? And, inasmuch as they do not commit any sin in the tender age of infancy by their actual transgression, original sin only is left.” Augustine, On forgiveness of sin and baptism, 39[26] (A.D. 412).

 

[Cathode]

To allow your view, that would have to be. But I am a Baptist.
Believing in believer's mmersion. Being distinct from the gospel.
Paul wrote 1 Corinthians 1:17, For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: . . .

I talked about that verse with Charlie.