Baptist attitude toward Muslims

[paidagogos]

Meriam Webster: ardent : characterized by warmth of feeling typically expressed in eager zealous support or activity.

Well, this is the defintion but you tied "ardent" with "critic." It seems a juxaposition of two differing connotations. What do you think?

I don't think there is anything particularly postmodern about my statement, just simple human decency. If you require hostility to evangelize, well --- good luck with that.

Oh, I connected you with postmodernism because many postmoderns equate hostility with any effort to convert, however mild and gentle, with hostility.

However I have always identified on this board as being a strong supporter of postmodernism and the emergent church. Feel free to show your hostility to that position as you see fit.

Hostility? How do you define it? I have no hostility unless you say disagreeing with political correctness is hostility. Of course, I do think the postmoderns are a little paranoid about perceived hostility if anyone disagrees with them. What do you think?

 

[Gold Dragon]

Well, this is the defintion but you tied "ardent" with "critic." It seems a juxaposition of two differing connotations. What do you think?

An ardent critic is the opposite of an ardent supporter. Both are zealous. I believed the phrase "ardent critic" to be one that is common in modern english, but maybe it isn't as common as I thought.

Oh, I connected you with postmodernism because many postmoderns equate hostility with any effort to convert, however mild and gentle, with hostility.

I believe there are hostile ways to convert and non-hostile ways. I would not agree with you that many postmoderns equate hostility with any efforts to convert.

Hostility? How do you define it? I have no hostility unless you say disagreeing with political correctness is hostility. Of course, I do think the postmoderns are a little paranoid about perceived hostility if anyone disagrees with them. What do you think?

I find myself disagreeing with many folks on this board. Some use hostile attitudes in their disagreements and some do not. So far you have not been hostile in this thread and I encourage that type of discussion.

 

[lbaker]

I was born and raised in the Jewish religion. I was born again in March, 1974. While I was growing up, I was taught that Jesus was a great prophet and teacher, but not God. However, the lady who lead me to the Lord in 1974 didn't water down the gospel and was extremely knowledgeable about the Jewish religion and actually knew more than I did about my own religion. She told me that the Jews rejected Christ because He didn't set up His earthly kingdom and save them from the power of Rome.

We are unable to "convert" anybody, including the Muslims through "dialogue" and "tolerance". They need to hear the true gospel---not a gospel of "tolerance". Jesus died for all, including the Muslims. Unless they trust Jesus' sacrifice for them, they will end up in a Christless eternity.

Linda,

How did you get to know the lady who converted you? Did y'all have a relationship of some kind before she taught you?

Les

 

[Linda64]

Linda,

How did you get to know the lady who converted you? Did y'all have a relationship of some kind before she taught you?

Les

That lady was my neighbor---she lived across the road and since we lived out in the sticks, we shared rides into town...it was about a 20 minute ride. My husband and I were building a house across the road from where she and her husband were also building a house. She was like a second mother to me. She told me after I got saved that she had been praying for a Christian neighbor for many years and two years before she met me, she had lived in Tennessee and studied all about Judaism. Her reason for doing this was to find out the biblical reason why the Jews rejected Jesus as Messiah. Then she met me. I believe God was preparing the way for her to share Christ with me....and she was armed and ready! First thing she asked me on our ride to town one day was "Where do you go to church"? I told her that I was Jewish and didn't go to church, but drove to Denver (there was no synagogue in the small town of Loveland, CO) and went to synagogue there---that was only part true. From that time on, she never tired of sharing Christ with me---and I was a captive audience. She had the entire town of Loveland, CO praying for me. Mrs. Miller is now in her 80s and we still keep in contact by email every week.

 

[mima]

In order to understand Islam and the Koran you have but to get a copy of the Koran and read it. Any Moslem who does not desire to see Christians killed does not understand the Koran and is not a good Moslem. Interestingly enough I once led a Moslem to the Lord Jesus Christ at a rest stop on the highway. After a lengthy discussion and prayer with him he made this statement. I can't believe I have accepted the story of about Lord Jesus Christ. I'm supposed to be a Moslem(he was from Pakistan), but I'm very happy.

 

[lbaker]

That lady was my neighbor---she lived across the road and since we lived out in the sticks, we shared rides into town...it was about a 20 minute ride. My husband and I were building a house across the road from where she and her husband were also building a house. She was like a second mother to me. She told me after I got saved that she had been praying for a Christian neighbor for many years and two years before she met me, she had lived in Tennessee and studied all about Judaism. Her reason for doing this was to find out the biblical reason why the Jews rejected Jesus as Messiah. Then she met me. I believe God was preparing the way for her to share Christ with me....and she was armed and ready! First thing she asked me on our ride to town one day was "Where do you go to church"? I told her that I was Jewish and didn't go to church, but drove to Denver (there was no synagogue in the small town of Loveland, CO) and went to synagogue there---that was only part true. From that time on, she never tired of sharing Christ with me---and I was a captive audience. She had the entire town of Loveland, CO praying for me. Mrs. Miller is now in her 80s and we still keep in contact by email every week.

Linda,

Thanks for sharing your conversion story.

I beleive that is just the kind of relationship we should have with muslims, not keep at a distance and throw stones, but engage them however we can.

thanks again,

les

 

[MichelleinPA]

But there is a difference between engaging Muslims and signing a petition saying that we all are one big happy family.

As for the Jews, they are still God's chosen people (see Romans 11). And while, yes they need salvation found only in Jesus, to say that they do not worship the same God as Christians is wrong.

 

[Gold Dragon]

But there is a difference between engaging Muslims and signing a petition saying that we all are one big happy family.

I agree that we shouldn't sign a petition saying we are one big happy family because Christians and Muslims are not one big happy family and do not worship the same god. That is not what "A Common Word" is about.

 

[MichelleinPA]

I agree that we shouldn't sign a petition saying we are one big happy family because Christians and Muslims are not one big happy family and do not worship the same god. That is not what "A Common Word" is about.

Well that's not the way it seems in the quoted part of it (don't know if it's the whole thing or not). The talk about us all having one God, as if we worship the same God, just get to Him differently. And that is false.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Well that's not the way it seems in the quoted part of it (don't know if it's the whole thing or not). The talk about us all having one God, as if we worship the same God, just get to Him differently. And that is false.

The basis for this peace and understanding already exists. It is part of the very foundational principles of both faiths: love of the One God, and love of the neighbour.

If you are making reference to this quote, the reason it was phrased this way is because a common criticism of Christianity by Muslims is that Christianity is polytheistic because of the doctrine of the Trinity. This statement acknowledges the Christian claim to be a monotheistic religion and refutes those islamic critics who claim otherwise.

I believe it is a misinterpretation to see this statement as saying that Muslims and Christians both worship the same god.

 

[Revmitchell]

I believe it is a misinterpretation to see this statement as saying that Muslims and Christians both worship the same god.

You might want to consider the quote more carefully.

The basis for this peace and understanding already exists. It is part of the very foundational principles of both faiths: love of the One God, and love of the neighbour.

The use of the word "the" and the Capitalization of "God" in "love of the one God" indicates that both Islam and Christianity worship the exact same God.

 

[MichelleinPA]

Revmitchell - that was my point exactly.

 

[donnA]

The use of the word "the" and the Capitalization of "God" in "love of the one God" indicates that both Islam and Christianity worship the exact same God.

The God I worship is not named allah, nor is He a God of hate who wants christians killed for not worshipping allah.
If they worship the same God, then they must also worship Jesus, and beleive in Him for salvation. Because thats who the Bible says our God is, 3 persons one of which is Jesus. Denying this is denying the God we worship.

 

[Debby in Philly]

We have nothing in common with the Muslims.

Yes we do. We're all sinners for whom Christ died. And they need to know that.

 

[Brother Bob]

Yes we do. We're all sinners for whom Christ died. And they need to know that.

What sticks in my mind is them shouting "praise to allah", as they cut the heads off of americans. You need to give thanks that you are not under their control, for if you were, you would either deny Christ or have your head sawed off slowly, so you are alive and know what they are doing until they cut the main artery. You have all this tolerance for them, but for you they would have absolutely none.

BBob,

 

[Sopranette]

Or when Christians continue to perpetuate ugly stereotypes.

love,

Sopranette

 

[Brother Bob]

Or when Christians continue to perpetuate ugly stereotypes.

love,

Sopranette

Or be truthful about the matter. They hate you, face it and would cut your head off in a second. If you think you could walk around with your bible over there, teaching about Christ, you are just naive about the matter. They Praise Allah and hate you.

BBob,

 

[Sopranette]

You know, for a Christian, Brother Bob, you sure do live with a lot of fear.

love,

Sopranette

 

[Brother Bob]

You know, for a Christian, Brother Bob, you sure do live with a lot of fear.

love,

Sopranette

Sopranette; I live with reality, not fear. I do not believe for one minute if you were over there that you would go from house to house teaching know you the Lord. (Jesus Christ) I doubt if you would walk through skid row of New York at 3 in the morning because I think you have enough sense not to. The same is true, walking through the muslim land with a bible and trying to teach them about your God being the "true" God, and not allah.

2Jo 1:10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:

2Jo 1:11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

I have enough sense not to stick my hand on a hot stove.

ps; was wondering if you ever saw the video of them sawing off the head of an american??

BBob,

 

[Sopranette]

Sopranette; I live with reality, not fear. I do not believe for one minute if you were over there that you would go from house to house teaching know you the Lord. (Jesus Christ) I doubt if you would walk through skid row of New York at 3 in the morning because I think you have enough sense not to. The same is true, walking through the muslim land with a bible and trying to teach them about your God being the "true" God, and not allah.

2Jo 1:10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:

2Jo 1:11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

I have enough sense not to stick my hand on a hot stove.

ps; was wondering if you ever saw the video of them sawing off the head of an american??

BBob,

I have seen the video, the unedited version, no less. And what struck me the most was that these third world thugs were masters at manipulating fear.

As far as the rest of it, our church has missionaries in Iraq as we speak. They are risking their lives right now to reach the people there. Talk about love conquering fear.

love,

Sopranette