Biblical Chastening

[Brother Bob]

TC: 1. That's what I'm led to believe somehow.


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So, you pay for your own sins then after salvation. You do not have anything to pay with.

He said He wouldn't remember it, but He did remember it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2. Something like that. The plot thickens, I say.

I admire your honesty and looking for the correct answer to remembering no more and the remembering.

 

[jne1611]

Exactly, and the loss suffered is the fact we will not REIGN with Christ...but we will still be in the MK regardless. If you have the opportunity to rule, but blow that opportunity, that is suffering great loss!

AMEN! Exactly what I was thinking!

 

[jne1611]

I admire your honesty and looking for the correct answer to remembering no more and the remembering.

I to have thought a lot about this issue. It does challenge the mind doesn't it?

 

[Amy.G]

I don't think this question has been answered yet, if so I don't remember the answer.

What is the purpose of sending an unfaithful believer to outerdarkness, hell, lake of fire for chastisement of 1000 years?

 

[TCGreek]

I admire your honesty and looking for the correct answer to remembering no more and the remembering.

1. What do you mean by correct answer?

2. I believe what the Bible says.

 

[Brother Bob]

1. What do you mean by correct answer?

2. I believe what the Bible says.

So do I and He said He would remember them no more, and He doesn't. Now any new sins is a different matter. (correct answer)

I must of misunderstood you and you were not saying what I thought you did, but what I thought you would say.

 

[TCGreek]

So do I and He said He would remember them no more.

I must of misunderstood you and you were not saying what I thought you did, but what I thought you would say.

1. If God says he will not remember sins anymore, how can I challenge what God says?

2. God says it, that settles it, whether I believe it or not.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

1. If God says he will not remember sins anymore, how can I challenge what God says?

2. God says it, that settles it, whether I believe it or not.

Amen!

God is not a man that He should lie. God cannot lie. If He said He would not remember the sins against us anymore, then He will be true to His Word and the sins will not be remembered against us.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I don't think this question has been answered yet, if so I don't remember the answer.

What is the purpose of sending an unfaithful believer to outerdarkness, hell, lake of fire for chastisement of 1000 years?

To give the ME crowd a little more elbow room?

 

[webdog]

Wow here you have argued with us so much in the past and now you are in agreement with at least some of the proponents of the gospel of the kingdom.

This has been my position all along...you asked for clarity a couple weeks back and I gave it. I've always maintained there would be a difference amongst those that rule and those that don't. Kingdoms are made up of a king, those the king puts in charge (see Joseph), and subjects. Your theology has a kingdom full of rulers only.

 

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob
So do I and He said He would remember them no more.

I must of misunderstood you and you were not saying what I thought you did, but what I thought you would say.

1. If God says he will not remember sins anymore, how can I challenge what God says?

2. God says it, that settles it, whether I believe it or not.

Well, I am sure TC: you know the next question.
If all sins past, present and future are not to be remembered ever again, then when you sin after being saved, why is that sin then remembered against you through chastisement, an advocate with God because of that sin?
I honestly do not know how these two different times in your life, both concerning sin that Jesus said He would remember no more.
Then how can He remember it?

 

[TCGreek]

Well, I am sure TC: you know the next question.
If all sins past, present and future are not to be remembered ever again, then when you sin after being saved, why is that sin then remembered against you through chastisement, an advocate with God because of that sin?
I honestly do not know how these two different times in your life, both concerning sin that Jesus said He would remember no more.
Then how can He remember it?

Here's a clarifying question, Are we chastise for sins that we commit after we have been saved?

 

[Brother Bob]

Yes..................

 

[TCGreek]

This has been my position all along...you asked for clarity a couple weeks back and I gave it. I've always maintained there would be a difference amongst those that rule and those that don't. Kingdoms are made up of a king, those the king puts in charge (see Joseph), and subjects. Your theology has a kingdom full of rulers only.

Rom 5:17 says that all the saved are going to reign with Jesus Christ.

 

[TCGreek]

Yes..................

Then we seem to be in sync.

 

[Brother Bob]

Then those sins couldn't of been covered when you were first saved?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Rom 5:17 says that all the saved are going to reign with Jesus Christ.

Blows a hole in the ME proponents doctrine, doesn't it?

 

[TCGreek]

Then those sins couldn't of been covered when you were first saved?

1. My understanding of the Atonement means that Christ paid for my sins in full, past, present and future.

2. John says that if we confess our present sins the blood of Christ still cleanses, because they have been covered.

3. Christ sacrifice was once for all time. Let's not forget that great truth.

4. Only his shed blood can take away sins, not bulls and goats, and certainly not punishment (Heb 9:22; 10:1-4).

5. Show me in Scripture where chastisement/punishment takes away sins?

 

[TCGreek]

Blows a hole in the ME proponents doctrine, doesn't it?

I think so, but they are great dancers with the text.

 

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob
Then those sins couldn't of been covered when you were first saved?

1. My understanding of the Atonement means that Christ paid for my sins in full, past, present and future.

2. John says that if we confess our present sins the blood of Christ still cleanses, because they have been covered.

3. Christ sacrifice was once for all time. Let's not forget that great truth.

4. Only his shed blood can take away sins, not bulls and goats, and certainly not punishment (Heb 9:22; 10:1-4).

5. Show me in Scripture where chastisement/punishment takes away sins?

I really think you struggle to be completely honest TC;

If He remembers a sin of yours again, then something is wrong, is the only way I know how to put it. I certainly not going to say the Lord told a lie.

The way I have it figured out is the atonement was made to God. When Jesus gave His blood, He gave it all. When you sin after being saved, Jesus has to plead your case to God for you, who has the atonement. God must have it. What about when a new convert is saved?

Now that is what I believe.

I was praying you came back with an answer that was close to mine, I guess it was not to be.