Biblical Chastening

[charles_creech78]

No, feel free to do so. I am KJVO and I don't usually bother reinventing the wheel.

Most likely.

I just prefer to let the bible tell me what God means when he says chastise, instead of man. Whether or not context really changes the definition of chastise remains to be seen.

So do you acknowledge that the new wine found in a cluster of grapes is wine according to the bible? Wait, thats a different thread.

Ok you go with the KJV Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord LOVETH HE CHASTENETH, AND SCOURGETH every son whom he receiveth. Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 1 Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are CHASTENED of the LORD, that we should not BE CONDEMNED WITH THE WORLD. Brother I do not thank you know the reason God chastise.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Ok you go with the KJV Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord LOVETH HE CHASTENETH, AND SCOURGETH every son whom he receiveth. Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 1 Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are CHASTENED of the LORD, that we should not BE CONDEMNED WITH THE WORLD. Brother I do not thank you know the reason God chastise.

Great verses! Clearly the saved will not be condemned as the world will be condemned. As a matter of fact, Paul wrote:

[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (Romans 8:1)

and Jesus said:

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:18)

The saved will not be condemned to outer darkness, hell, or the lake of fire for any period of time! Praise God, He is faithful who promised.

 

[TCGreek]

I really think you struggle to be completely honest TC;

What does this have to do with what we are discussing? I make it a policy never to get personal. But you are questioning my honesty. What is the point of engaging in a discussion then?

 

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob
I really think you struggle to be completely honest TC;

What does this have to do with what we are discussing? I make it a policy never to get personal. But you are questioning my honesty. What is the point of engaging in a discussion then?__________________

No Sir, I was praising you. Have a good night.

 

[npetreley]

I really think you struggle to be completely honest TC;

Yikes! I don't think I could find anyone more self-controlled, methodical and honest on this board than TC. If I were half as consistent and educated as TC when I was his age, I'd canonized as a saint by now. Okay, we don't canonize saints, but you get my drift, I hope.

 

[npetreley]

No Sir, I was praising you. Have a good night.

Whew, I misunderstood, too. Sorry.

 

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob
I really think you struggle to be completely honest TC;

Yikes! I don't think I could find anyone more self-controlled, methodical and honest on this board than TC. If I were half as consistent and educated as TC when I was his age, I'd canonized as a saint by now. Okay, we don't canonize saints, but you get my drift, I hope.

I was praising him, you both took it wrong. I guess I did a bad job of it, please forgive me both of you.

 

[TCGreek]

I was praising him, you both took it wrong. I guess I did a bad job of it, please forgive me both of you.

1. Well, since I misunderstood you so terribly, I really need that blood of Christ to cleanse me now.

2. I think my theology wins out here. The blood is available. :thumbs:

 

[TCGreek]

I was praising him, you both took it wrong. I guess I did a bad job of it, please forgive me both of you.

Bob, you are forgiven. I misundertood you too.

 

[Hope of Glory]

Your theology has a kingdom full of rulers only.

It seems as if you've been listening to npetreley and not us, if this is what you think.

This is only one of the lies that he has repeated.

We have never said such a thing.

But, when you say something enough times, as he has done, then others start believing it.

 

[Brother Bob]

TC;
You still haven't answered the question;

Why was a sin remembered against you, when Jesus said He would not?

 

[saturneptune]

Bob, I work a midnight shift and was watching your posts. When do you sleep?

 

[webdog]

It seems as if you've been listening to npetreley and not us, if this is what you think.

This is only one of the lies that he has repeated.

We have never said such a thing.

But, when you say something enough times, as he has done, then others start believing it.

I've never heard him say that...that would seem to be the natural conclusion of your theology.

 

[DHK]

If He remembers a sin of yours again, then something is wrong, is the only way I know how to put it. I certainly not going to say the Lord told a lie.

You are irght here. He has cast all of our sins (at salvation), past, present, and future, behind his back, cast into the depths of the deepest sea, never to be remembered again. They are ALL under the blood.

The way I have it figured out is the atonement was made to God. When Jesus gave His blood, He gave it all. When you sin after being saved, Jesus has to plead your case to God for you, who has the atonement. God must have it. What about when a new convert is saved?

That, as you say, is the way you see it; but not the way the Bible teaches, nor the way that God sees it. It teaches two heresies.
1. It teaches a works salvation--that we end up working our way to heaven.
2. Most of all it teaches the heresy that the blood of Chriist was not sufficient in the atonement to cover all our sins. That's where the works comes. Because Jesus was utterly incapable of atoning for our sins we have to help him along by doing something. That really is akin to blasphemy in my books. I know you don't see it that way Bob, but that is the way it ends up to be. Either his blood is sufficient for all of our sins or it is not. Which way is it?
Whether a man is committing adultery, obese, cheating, lying, or whatever, at the time of his death; even if the sin goes unconfessed because of a heart attach or some other sudden circumstance, he will go straight to heaven. If you deny this, you also deny the sufficiency of the blood of Christ to cover all our sins. In the sight of God all sin is a transgression of the law, and therefore equal.

 

[Hope of Glory]

I've never heard him say that...that would seem to be the natural conclusion of your theology.

He is the only one who has said that.

Had to edit to add: But a couple of other people have parroted him. I assume they did it unintentionally.

 

[TCGreek]

TC;
You still haven't answered the question;

Why was a sin remembered against you, when Jesus said He would not?

1. No sin is remembered against me.

2. I'm of the firm belief that all of my sins past, present, and future have been covered by the once-for-all-time atonement of Christ.

3. The sins that I commit in the process of sanctification are all covered and are part of the process of sanctification.

4. Why I still commit them after having a new nature, I will never completely understand? Why didn't God just take me straight to Heaven when I got saved, I will never know?

 

[Brother Bob]

Bob, I work a midnight shift and was watching your posts. When do you sleep?

I had to carry a letter to another association today in Ashland, KY so I had to get up at 4:30 this morning.

 

[Brother Bob]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Bob
If He remembers a sin of yours again, then something is wrong, is the only way I know how to put it. I certainly not going to say the Lord told a lie.

You are irght here. He has cast all of our sins (at salvation), past, present, and future, behind his back, cast into the depths of the deepest sea, never to be remembered again. They are ALL under the blood.
Quote:

So why the chastisement and the advocate with God if we sin?

Whether a man is committing adultery, obese, cheating, lying, or whatever, at the time of his death; even if the sin goes unconfessed because of a heart attach or some other sudden circumstance, he will go straight to heaven. If you deny this, you also deny the sufficiency of the blood of Christ to cover all our sins. In the sight of God all sin is a transgression of the law, and therefore equal.
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DHK

Not according to scripture.

1 Corth 6:
9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10: Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Brother Bob]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Bob
TC;
You still haven't answered the question;

Why was a sin remembered against you, when Jesus said He would not?


1. No sin is remembered against me.

2. I'm of the firm belief that all of my sins past, present, and future have been covered by the once-for-all-time atonement of Christ.

3. The sins that I commit in the process of sanctification are all covered and are part of the process of sanctification.

4. Why I still commit them after having a new nature, I will never completely understand? Why didn't God just take me straight to Heaven when I got saved, I will never know?

I ask you the same thing as DHK; why the chastisement and advocate with God, if they are not to be remembered anymore and are as white as snow at the cross? If He chastises you, He remembers a sin. You call it a process of sanification, but the fact remains, He still remembers it.

 

[TCGreek]

I ask you the same thing as DHK; why the chastisement and advocate with God, if they are not to be remembered anymore and are as white as snow at the cross? If He chastises you, He remembers a sin. You call it a process of sanification, but the fact remains, He still remembers it.

Bob, Does God chastise us for our sins?