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Yes, necessarily! Anyone can write in a vote for anybody. So they can easily reject all canidates who support murder. The "lesser of two evils" is just a loop hole they try to use, but God sees the heart. Many "Christians" try to find a way to justify their vote for murder. God sees.
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But they dont want to do that. They dont want to cast a vote for Daffy Duck, or their next door neighbor, or Pat Paulson, or anyone else who has no chance of winning. They want to vote for the one...of the ones who are legitimate candidates...that they think is the best. And there could be a multiplicity of reasons why Joe Votecaster might feel that so and so is the better candidate. Joe Votecaster may not agree with everything that candidate stands for, but Joe feels that he/she is the best of the legitimate options.
You've just made MY point. God DOES INDEED see the heart, and God knows the reasons why Joe Votecaster is voting as he is, and God knows full well that Joe does not agree with murderering babies.
Yes, God does. And God sees the motivation behind Joe Votecasters vote...and God knows full well that Joe hates the murder of babies but felt that this candidate is the lesser of 2 evils(for whatever reason), and God is not going to hold anything against Joe because of Joes vote.
I don't know if you are personally offended because maybe you are a democrat and what they have embraced as a party makes you irritated or maybe you are having difficult seperating democrat with murderer. The fact is it has nothing to do with democrat verses republican . There are baby killers in both camps. You are the one saying it is democrats. I am able to understand that many democrats do not like murder, yet it is obvious that as a party they have gotten cozy with it and let it slide. Democrat or Republican is not the issue. There are pro-life canadates in both parties. Again I say find them and vote for them. If the Christian democrats would take a stand, murder would not even be a political issue. It would have remained a bad court decision and politics could focus on money issues leaving God's morals alone. God already gave us the constitution which states every person has the right to life. Abortion is murder whether you carry a democrat card or a republican card .
There you have it...they just want to WIN!!! Who cares if babies are being murdered...just let US WIN!!!
I agree, what I said earlier is agree morally . That is possible.
You got too be kidding. God knows full well that Joe Votecaster is putting winning or money matters or party above the murdering of babies. That is pure fact. I would not presume God is going to understand Joe's poor situation. Poor Joe, he just wanted to win.
You are telling me that you personally know God is going to understand why Joe knowingly voted for a person who is going to enable others to murder babies? I would not presume so much concerning a Holy and Just God!
Christians do not get "zapped" they are fully forgiven and they do not murder people whether directly or knowingly indirectly. So the issue is whether or not they are Christians. If they are they will repent, if they are not then they will not.
Its not a basketball game. No thoughtful voter votes just because he wants to win. They vote because they want the candidate to be elected that they feel best represents...not necesarrily completly represents, but best represents...their views on how society should progress.
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No, I'm not. God realy does see out hearts.
Not in my hypothetical situation. In my hypothetical Joe Votecaster is not voting for any of those reasons. He is thoughtfully voting for the candidate they they feel is the best of the 2 options. Not the perfect candidate, but the best of the 2.
Your talking about a differnt Joe.
Yes.
I have no problem at all proclaiming that God sees and knows our hearts. And I thought you did as well...since you brought it up 1st...but apparently not.
I would leave when and if they ever embraced murder as a party position.
That is correct. They are only a murderer if they knowingly cast a vote for a person who stands for abortion, democrat or republican or any other. It matters not what party they are registered in.
And you won't. You will, however, find numberous clear statements by Dr Graham and the BGEA which say the opposite, such as:
No, it's called politics. Most folks base their decisions on a whole slew of issues. Not perfect, not ideal, but unless that candidate is Christ Jesus Himself, that's the way it is.
"Thoughtfully"
I believe it was one of your examples and not my strawman...."But they dont want to do that. They dont want to cast a vote for Daffy Duck, or their next door neighbor, or Pat Paulson, or anyone else who has no chance of winning "...it was one of your examples. One example, not all of your examples.
And you responded, and quoted me in doing so...
Yes, I said that. But what in the world do you think I meant when I said the person voted for the one with the best chance of winning?
Yes, that is how those who choose not to vote for a good person over a not so good person thinks. Many times they reject very good moral canidates, even within their own party, because the media states that they have no chance of winning. That is placing wanting a party win over biblical morality and it is sick and sad.
No I do not. Christians are fully forgiven eternally. Past, present and future. If Joe loves Jesus Christ he would not be supporting baby murder! The issue would not be at any judgment seat of Christ's.
Now you are changing the subject. I have always been pointed in stating that you should not support a canidate who you know supports murder. If the canidate says he does not support murder and then he flip flops, that is being let down and the blood would not be on your hands.
I did not vote at that time....to my shame. I was off living in a life of sin blaming the world for all my self inflicted troubles. I have only been faithfully following the Lord for seven years now. But this sounds like an example of finding out something after the fact. We can only be held accountable for what we know at the time.
It is not absurd in any way shape or form. Anyone who votes for baby killers is supporting baby killing! What is the vote cast for?? A REPRESENTATIVE. Canidate B REPRESENTS my morals, so I will vote for B. Very SIMPLE!
Abortion is still going on. It is big business without any responsibility. At this point I see no difference in the two candidates except to watch as Bush takes our personal freedoms away. When a city can line the pockets of wealthy business owners to make a profit for the city something is wrong. When a city can take a man's business which has made him a living for many years and give it to another business owner something is wrong.
