Ten four good buddy.
I got the message and responded with a yeeeep.
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Call for a little more honesty
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I got the message and responded with a yeeeep.As did I. I had the connections written in all my older Bibles (start here, go here...). Pretty much, Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23, Romans 10:9, Romans 10:13, and Romans 5:1 (with a few others in reserve, if needed).
When they are misused they deserve to get a bad rap. The reason I recoiled from it initially had nothing to do with theology, Calvinism, or anything like that. It was "practice" -- going out with "soulwinners" who bulldozed through the verses, forced the "right" answers out of the lost, and concluded by pronouncing them saved and secure. All the time watching and noticing hilarity, mockery, spite, and such like as the "soul-winnee" just wanted it to be over with. And then no discernment on the part of the soulwinner that such was the spirit of the person they just witnessed to, as they were busy putting another notch in their belt. Calvinism makes an easy foil for giving the Roman Road a bad rap, but Roman Roadists themselves need to understand everything is not always about Calvinism.
No disco for me. Seems I can almost remember something about Disco Duck, but back then our crowd was listening to Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, ZZ Top, or the Eagles and Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young for something on the lighter side. Don't hold me to any of that in the present life. Just waltzing briefly down Memory Road.Cool. Do you have any pictures of rlvaughn during the age of disco you'd like to share?
A thread was deleted but not at my request. I had asked for one of your posts to be either altered or removed, but instead the whole thread was deleted.
I will say no more since apparently it is not allowed to rebuke a moderator publicly.
In general, Calvinists shy away from any evangelistic formula that culminates with, "Now bow your head and repeat this prayer." It is not that we are against a person verbalizing their faith and commitment to the Lord but we are more concerned about what they confess and believe. Those two things are at the heart of Romans 10:9. When the Lord has given me a divine appointment to share the Gospel, I take care to ask the person what they believe about what they have heard. Do they believe the Gospel message, not will they say a prayer to ask Jesus into their heart. I fear if I go any farther with this the thread will be derailed. Perhaps this deserves its own thread.
You requested the OP be deleted, which necessitates the thread be removed, because you believed (or stated) that closing the thread was not good enough.
The point is, despite the objections, it is wrong to generalize the whole based on limited experience. It is wrong to mistreat other people even if they disagree with our view. It is wrong to make unsubstantiated claims as if they were fact.
What we do to one another we do to Christ.
What we do to one another we do to Christ.
If your desire is to limit this board to facts, ban opinions, and ban observations, this will be a boring and deserted place.
I would prefer to ban the board not of opinions but of anti-Christian discourse.
I believe it is possible to express opinion and debate views honestly as Christians.
And yes....it would probably be less interesting.
I find it odd that Pentecostals and Charismatics, who are fellow Christians, are fair game for bashing. Say something about SBC and it's a travesty.
Pentecostals are not "fair game". If you observed a member bashing another Christian and were convicted then perhaps you should have spoken up.
There is no issue speaking about the SBC. As I have said, I would prefer my church withdraw from the SBC.
The issue is falsely generalizing a denomination.
Might you follow your own advice and done this very thing yourself instead of this !!!!!!!! kind of response?
If you think bashing of Pentecostals and lumping into groups of them does not happen regularly on here, well........
In the link below, Johnny Mac lays out the opposing belief to easy believerism. He is definitely in the minority in the SBC with his opinion. I agree with him.
An Introduction to Lordship Salvation
I may be wrong but I do not believe Grace Community Church is affiliated with the SBC.
names and signs are important.
If you say Free Will Baptist , we sorta know what your doctrines are, and are known across the board. but when some are far away and different we have to ask, like our right honorable friends from England, I have noticed that the different areas have different experiences and knowledge of the same organizations than I have, We have to ask, much of the confusion and sharp opinions are because that the same names used for groups are not the same doctrinal
A chocolate cake is a chocolate cake further description might be included, A Baptist Church is the same way
If a sign says, The Church at a certain road or community. further info is needed, The infiltration of godless teaching is easier if the church dies not have a foundation. The devil can cause confusion, God does not
If you say Free Will Baptist , we sorta know what your doctrines are, and are known across the board. but when some are far away and different we have to ask, like our right honorable friends from England, I have noticed that the different areas have different experiences and knowledge of the same organizations than I have, We have to ask, much of the confusion and sharp opinions are because that the same names used for groups are not the same doctrinal
A chocolate cake is a chocolate cake further description might be included, A Baptist Church is the same way
If a sign says, The Church at a certain road or community. further info is needed, The infiltration of godless teaching is easier if the church dies not have a foundation. The devil can cause confusion, God does not
You are correct. I misworded. I meant to say "His opinion is definitely in the minority in the SBC." Easy believerism is so rampant in the SBC, I was hard pressed to find a supporting view for Lordship Salvation. In this area, it's heresy in the SBC.
With the election of J.D. Greear, is there any doubt in your mind that the majority of delegates had, at least for a day, a few screws loose? Either it's the majority view, or it's the fault of churches who were too lazy to go vote. I feel it was majority view.
This is kind of like being a Democrat. There might be a few good ones, but the bad in the party is so big, it completely swallows the good ones.
This is the first time I have ever been ashamed to be SBC.
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When JM came out with the Gospel According to Jesus in 1988, he was blacklisted by many in the SBC as well as IFB's, GARB's, Bible Colleges, seminaries, and Christian radio stations. My Bible college disinvited him from being an annual visiting professor. In fact, I was in the final class he taught at my school before he became persona non grata. Not that it mattered to JM. Withering in the face of unrelenting attacks is not one of his weaknesses.
From what I know, Founders Movement churches in the SBC reject Finneyism and Easy Believism. I am thinking of pastors like Mark Dever, Tom Ascol, and Tom Nettles.