No I'm saying Paul taught in the synagogues and Gentiles didn't go to synagogues. The temple in Jerusalem is the only place to have a room for Gentiles
The Jews were not known to worship with Gentiles.
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Calvinism, Arminianism, how can we find what is the true doctrine from God?
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The Jews were not known to worship with Gentiles.
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Reformed1689
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It just means you are mistaken.
MB
Reformed1689
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You wont know for sure this side of Heaven.
You can't unless God wants to reveal it... And are you going to believe it when he does?... Brother Glen
Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
The Bible only speaks of the Jews it does not mention Gentiles very often. Therefore there is no reason to assume there was any there since Paul's custom was to go to the synagogue too preach in each town. The Jews at that time had been spread all over the known world. Paul spoke to Gentiles so did the disciples Paul spoke to them in Athens from a theater but that is the only place I know of where He actually preached to Gentiles. He spoke to several Romans and Greeks individually We have to remember Gentiles are strangers not main characters in the Bible. He spoke to a Roman Jailer He spoke to a few Roman magistrates. He spoke to King Aggripa..He did go Back to athens and preach to the Greeks but that preaching is not recorded
MB
You can believe in your self if you want to don't complain to me.
MB
No this is your claim. It's called trying to misinterpret what I said. I mean why not you misinterpret the Bible all the time among other things.
Poor David
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Dave G
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" Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles." ( Acts of the Apostles 13:46 ).
" And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook [his] raiment, and said unto them, Your blood [be] upon your own heads; I [am] clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles." ( Acts of the Apostles 18:6 ).
" but contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;
8 (for he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles; " ( Galatians 2:7-8 ).
Peter was the apostles to the Jews, while Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles.
If you don't mind me asking, who do you think most of the epistles were written to, MB?
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Reformed1689
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There are many more, MB.
Preaching to Gentiles ( as well as Jews in many places ):
Antioch in Psidia (Acts of the Apostles 13:14-48 ).
Iconium ( Acts of the Apostles 14:1-2 ).
Lystra and Derbe ( Acts of the Apostles 14:6-7 ).
Perga ( Acts of the Apostles 14:25 ).
Philippi in Macedonia ( Acts of the Apostles 16:6-12 ).
Thessalonica ( Acts of the Apostles 17:1-4 ).
Berea ( Acts of the Apostles 17:10-12 ).
Athens, Mars Hill where Greek philosophers were known to gather and discuss things all the day long ( Acts of the Apostles 17:16-34 ).
Corinth ( Acts of the Apostles 18:1-11 ).
Asia ( Asia Minor as it is now called, in present-day Turkey (Acts of the Apostles 19:10 ).
Believers, both Jew and Greek, mentioned at Ephesus ( Acts of the Apostles 19:17-20 ).
Again, may He bless you greatly in your studies of His word.
In my original post, I asked for scripture that refutes the following scripture supporting TULIP. The result was negative.
TULIP
T of TULIP Total Depravity (also known as Total Inability and Original Sin)
[Isa 64:6 ESV] 6 We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away..
[Jer 17:9 ESV] 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?
U of TULIP Unconditional Election
Rom 8:28 - 30 ESV - And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
L of TULIP Limited Atonement (also known as Particular Atonement)
[Jhn 10:3-4 ESV] 3 To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice.
[1Co 15:23 ESV] 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.
[Phl 3:12 ESV] 12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.
I of TULIP Irresistible Grace
[Jhn 6:37-40 ESV] 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day."
[Tit 3:5-7 ESV] 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
P of TULIP Perseverance of the Saints (also known as Once Saved Always Saved)
[Eph 1:13-14 ESV] 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
[Eph 4:30 ESV] 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
TULIP
T of TULIP Total Depravity (also known as Total Inability and Original Sin)
[Isa 64:6 ESV] 6 We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away..
[Jer 17:9 ESV] 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?
U of TULIP Unconditional Election
Rom 8:28 - 30 ESV - And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
L of TULIP Limited Atonement (also known as Particular Atonement)
[Jhn 10:3-4 ESV] 3 To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice.
[1Co 15:23 ESV] 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.
[Phl 3:12 ESV] 12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.
I of TULIP Irresistible Grace
[Jhn 6:37-40 ESV] 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day."
[Tit 3:5-7 ESV] 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
P of TULIP Perseverance of the Saints (also known as Once Saved Always Saved)
[Eph 1:13-14 ESV] 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
[Eph 4:30 ESV] 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
First of all you never supplied scripture to establish any of these things.
Its like if I claim the theology of flying donkeys because Jesus rode in on a donkey.
Well I challenge you to find a bible verse against FLYING DONKEYS.
You are not going to find anything. Your theology is a FLYING DONKEY.
Lets look at your T of Tulip.
#1 problem with Tulip is the claim that NO PERSON can do any act of GOOD that is pleasing to God or has God as its source because he is Totally depraved.
Here is your bible verses:
Isa 64:6 ESV] 6 We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away..
[Jer 17:9 ESV] 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?
5You meet him who rejoices in doing righteousness,
Who remembers You in Your ways.
Behold, You were angry, for we sinned,
We continued in them a long time;
And shall we be saved?
6For all of us have become like one who is unclean,
And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment;
And all of us wither like a leaf,
And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
7There is no one who calls on Your name,
Who arouses himself to take hold of You;
For You have hidden Your face from us
And have delivered us into the power of our iniquities.
8But now, O LORD, You are our Father,
We are the clay, and You our potter;
And all of us are the work of Your hand.
IT does not mention one thing about our having lost the capacity to do GOOD acts with God as their source.
IT would make absolute sense for scripture to devote a book or even just a chapter to explain hey look guys .....we are totally depraved, IT NEVER DOES THIS. You can only take pieces of "SYMPTOMS" you joined to your boogey man.
Did you cough? did you sneeze? ahhh well then flying donkeys is true.
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IF it were written to folks who are already elect, then why would they have to explain anything to them they should already innately already know.
Again this comes back to people's insincerity.
If God knocked on your door and asked you to build a hot tub in your back yard right now. Who says well....lord i got work in about an hour i gotta get ready to go to work!?
I'm pretty sure you ditch work and get to working on the hot tub as God instructed.
In the same way all these Calvinist rebirths......are bland, going to back to work. You would have been jumping up and down about how 5 minutes ago you clearly hated God.
Your own life would have been perfect proof. Instead we get this weird back tracking to scripture trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
All who are saved prove that they were the Elect of God due to now being redeemed!
If so then you should be able to prove Gentiles are elect with scripture. No one has yet. The Jews are elect the Bible calls them elect but it never ever cal[s a Gentile elect
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