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Calvinism Made Me Doubt My Salvation

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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
Propitiation does not mean that we are forgiven but that the wrath of an offended one, God, has been turned away.
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Yes it does mean that one is forgiven, God is at peace and reconciled. Heb 8:12 shows forgiveness and propitiation go hand and hand


For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.


The word merciful here is propitious hileōs:

propitious, merciful

John Gill on Heb 8:12

For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness,.... That is, sin; for all unrighteousness is sin, being contrary to the justice of God, and his righteous law: and the phrase is expressive of God's forgiveness of it, which is a very considerable article of the covenant of grace; mercy is the spring and original of pardon; it is what God delights in, and therefore he pardons freely; it is large and abundant, and hence he pardons fully; and this lays a foundation for hope in sensible sinners: and the way and means, in and by which God pardons, is the propitiatory sacrifice of his Son; and the word here rendered "merciful", signifies "propitious"; God pardons none but those to whom he is pacified, or rendered propitious by Christ; there is no mercy, nor pardon, but through him; he pardons on the foot of reconciliation and satisfaction for sin by Christ; so that forgiveness of sin is an act of justice, as well as of mercy; or it is an act of mercy streaming through the blood and sacrifice of Christ.
And their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more; by which are meant all kind of sin, original and actual; sins before and after conversion; every sin but that against the Holy Ghost, and that God's covenant people are never guilty of; these God remembers no more; he casts them behind his back, and into the depths of the sea, so that when they are sought for, they shall not be found; God will never charge them with them, or punish them for them: this is another phrase to express the forgiveness of sins, and distinguishes the new covenant from the old one, or the former dispensation; in which, though there were many typical sacrifices, and a typical removal of sin, yet there was a remembrance of it every year.
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Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Yes it does mean that one is forgiven, God is at peace and reconciled. Heb 8:12 shows forgiveness and propitiation go hand and hand


For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.


The word merciful here is propitious hileōs:

propitious, merciful

John Gill on Heb 8:12
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1Jn 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

God will be propitious to all sinners BF. But they are not saved except that they freely trust in Him.

God is merciful in that He has not cast all us sinners into hell already.

But being merciful are propitious does not mean saved BF.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Sure they are, some are given to believe in Christ Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake

It's a lot you aren't aware of
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You never fail to misuse the word of God. Quite frankly any comment you make has to be taken with a grain of salt.

You have no idea what the word of God actually says.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
You have any more jokes?
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Just about everything you post is a joke BF.

I can not take any of your post seriously. What with your cherry picking out of context verses, your abuse of scripture, your redefining the meaning of words and the list goes on.

I am always amazed at just how badly you will treat the word of God in your attempt to support your false religious views.
 
atpollard

atpollard

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Just a thought, but if someone “doubts their salvation”, should they at least entertain the possibility that “they are not saved” and seek to correct THAT problem first? [I mean, we all assume that everyone is saved and just needs reassurance.] :Unsure
 
DaveXR650

DaveXR650

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atpollard said:
Just a thought, but if someone “doubts their salvation”, should they at least entertain the possibility that “they are not saved” and seek to correct THAT problem first? [I mean, we all assume that everyone is saved and just needs reassurance.] :Unsure
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That's the best post on this thread. That's exactly what happened to a lot of us who got a little caught up in the drift towards "easy believism" or antinomianism. The Puritan paperbacks that were widespread in the '70's and '80's were sometimes causes of such doubts but were a much needed jolt of truth. And at the time I had no idea most of them were Calvinists and couldn't have cared less.
 
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