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Posted by EWF:
“So your saying that God predestined everything we do, even the sin that we commit? Sorry then I would agree with our critics that criticize us, suggesting that God make us mindless robots and would make God the author of sin.”
Obviously someome has issue with the words "decree" and "ordain," as I've stated.
Anyhow, the above quote was used to indict me, by benjamin. It has failed and I will explain why to those who listen and can see. He has gone to lengths to incriminate me, (all the while fighting for
his own goodness,
interesting?) even creating a "trap thread" that I foiled, after answering him soundly with Bible then bowing out wisely.
Why argue when one will not accept the lost state of man as shown in Scriptures? Consider the truth of the matter and where this fallacy comes from. Pharisees also fought for their own goodness and against such a lost state. Right? Think about it. Who else did? Pelagius? So do benjamin and others. They fight for the righteousness and goodness
of lost man as also the Pharisees fought for their good in their own lost state. This is not suggesting anyone lost but the Pharisees, but showing that the lost Pharisees fought for their own goodness, as these are doing also now. This philosophy reminds me of the Masonic Lodge. "YAGM." Or, a "good ol' boy" club. Things of this manner. It doesn't remind me of Biblical Christianity at all, instead it reminds me of a creed of some club.
Think about it. Jesus told them (the Pharisees) they were full of dead mens bones. They were whited tombs, full of death:
Mat 23:27 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness." Their own claims of goodness made them even worse.
These same became very angry at Jesus, how dare He show them they are in total need of Him and need to do as Paul and cast off all their "good" (which wasn't) and find it for what it truly is:
dung. The only thing to conclude by these folks on here that they did do "good" and did "seek" is that they feel they have done at least maybe as well as Paul in it. Maybe a little worse? But he shows us what he did with all of this, it was dung, none of it was then "good" he cast all of away as such. Anyhow, they were angry at Jesus for these things and sought to trap Him in His words and pay Him back for all of this, Luke 11:54, by ultimately nailing Him to a tree. Sound familiar Iconoclast, this being angry, this wanting to trap in words? Others who hold to these truths do you also see? These here too are angry about the true indictment upon lost mans state and fight against it
in the same manner. Iconoclast, others who agree with Scripture on mans state, this attack is just the same thing in a new era. Rejoice in it brethren, that you are maligned and attacked for your stance.
To What EWF said used against me as a "proof": (benjamin attempting to prove something out of context)
Yet,
in context, I never said what EWF said,
and we both concluded that.
Just like G.A. Riplinger, quotes are taken out of context by folks like this in their fantastical ramblings. ben here is no different in his miserable misrepresenting of others.
The problem is they just don't like too much the indictment on lost man and his incapable state, and show disdain the Scriptures that show them as such, turning them however they wish and defend their "goodness" and "integrity." I've shown how another group in Scriptures carried the same exact attitude.
This is semi-pelagian thought. This is also the stand the Pharisees took, defending their "goodness."
- Peace
