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Yet, here you are, being agreed with by those whose soteriology you oppose, arguing with and insinuating against, people whose soteriology, by and large, agree with you, and which you also stated you agree with,
I have openly disputed wrong views of soteriology with these brothers. Most likely that will continue. I have no problem speaking directly to what I believe to be defective theology.
As wrong as these men might be concerning these doctrines at this point in time...I know they have to hold to the same core basics if they are biblical Christians...
many with non cal leanings...in truth really hold to most Cal truth even though they will not admit to it. They must because it is in scripture.
While I do give them grief over their stated positions....we are in agreement that as members of the kingdom of God we are to present the gospel to all men everywhere. I am much closer to them, than to you as concerns evangelism of sinners.
You and others know the verses on election and predestination.....but you hold them as cold and austere....not as God's promise to everyone who believes....worldwide.
The fact that God reveals the covenant of redemption to be a fact....does NOT tell us who the elect are....so we preach to all men everywhere.
Do not worry....no non elect will" sneak in"....
33 Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die;
if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.9
Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
10 Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto the house of Israel; Thus ye speak, saying, If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live?
11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Paul used this in Acts18....you have no place for it in your theology.