I have a question in regards to the OP... We have reports to those that have done this... If a person leads a sequestered life, can that life be sinless?... If it can who determines it?... Brother Glen
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Can one live sinless?
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The same scriptures state that if we claim to no longer sin, we are liars!
So, are you claiming sinless perfection?
What does the bible tell us? Sinners will not make it in heaven. Christ is our example and the Holy Spirit is our sealer to keep us from falling.
Colossians 3:1-11 (NKJV)
3 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.
5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, 7 in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.
8 But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, 10 and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, 11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.
1 John 4:3-4 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
When we quench the power of the Holy Spirit and question his absolute work we are like Eve believing what the enemy has placed in our hears instead of adhering to what He says in His WORD. If I am wrong for believing in this awesome power through the Holy Spirit. If I am mislead for accepting what the WORD says...put off, put to death the things that speaks of evil (old man) and have put on this new regeneration (new birth) of a man that is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him (Jesus). I don't mind being wrong. I am saved and a changed man because of Jesus coming into my life. We sing a song that says "What can wash away my sins, nothing but the blood of Jesus." What can make me whole again, nothing but the blood of Jesus." Do you believe what you sing about Jesus? If our sins are washed away and we never go back to the ways of the old man; what are we? If you say its sinless perfection, I guess its not the first time you've heard this. Let your mind be in Christ Jesus brother. All things are possible if you believe through the Holy Spirit. What is behind the question - "Are you still claiming sinless perfection?"
Colossians 3:1-11 (NKJV)
3 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.
5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, 7 in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.
8 But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, 10 and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, 11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.
1 John 4:3-4 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
When we quench the power of the Holy Spirit and question his absolute work we are like Eve believing what the enemy has placed in our hears instead of adhering to what He says in His WORD. If I am wrong for believing in this awesome power through the Holy Spirit. If I am mislead for accepting what the WORD says...put off, put to death the things that speaks of evil (old man) and have put on this new regeneration (new birth) of a man that is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him (Jesus). I don't mind being wrong. I am saved and a changed man because of Jesus coming into my life. We sing a song that says "What can wash away my sins, nothing but the blood of Jesus." What can make me whole again, nothing but the blood of Jesus." Do you believe what you sing about Jesus? If our sins are washed away and we never go back to the ways of the old man; what are we? If you say its sinless perfection, I guess its not the first time you've heard this. Let your mind be in Christ Jesus brother. All things are possible if you believe through the Holy Spirit. What is behind the question - "Are you still claiming sinless perfection?"
Not certain this was addressed, so for any readers with the question...I have a question in regards to the OP... We have reports to those that have done this... If a person leads a sequestered life, can that life be sinless?... If it can who determines it?... Brother Glen
All matters of sin proceed from the heart and are manifested in the flesh except one. (1 Corinthians 6:18).
None even in isolation are without sin.
The Scriptures are the final determiner.
Christian - lost. Oxymoron.
It is IMPOSSIBLE for a christian to live a sinless life. If you think that you are sinless, let me pour a cup of hot water on you and lets watch your reaction. Christians are supposed to live Holy lives. Be ye holy for I am holy.
Drug addict? Alcohol addict? I doubt it, but a christian may fall into sin at times for seasons.
IF he does, that lie right there just busted that up.
Are we not hearing the scriptures that is quoted? If you call yourself "Christian" which means what? Christ likeness, right? So, why is it hard for you to see and have the mind of Christ wants you to have?
If we are to live holy lives, then what is that? If you are walking in the Spirit that is Holy living. You will not desire to do what the Lord says is sin. The old man is dead to you and in your life.
Are you claiming sinless perfection? Yes. Or No.
No one is perfect and 1 John speaks about this and confessing our sins. Have you not read these verses?
TCassidy & evangelist6589,
I am going to try to respond to each of your replies:
Will God’s love continue to save a sinner that continues to sin (to crucify Jesus Christ)? Or Is there a time that God’s love will cease to grant forgiveness to the sinner because the sinner continues to sin against the Holy Spirit? (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
If God commanded us to live a perfect life, does it not mean that He expects us to live a sinless life? It would not make any sense to live an imperfect life, would it? A life short from perfection of character will reap eternal death.- (Romans 6:23) 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Hebrews 6:4-6 - 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
If a person that confesses he/she is a believer and continues to sin they are saying simply; “Jesus what you did on the cross wasn’t enough for me to stop sinning”. It’s a shameful state and impossible for a person that truly accepted Christ’s suffering on the cross! Allow the Holy Spirit to reveal truths that is contrary to the natural man. (1 Cor 2:10-16)
Romans 6:1 – What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
God’s grace forbids us to live in sin. When we sin, we are of the devil. (1 John 3:8)
I am going to try to respond to each of your replies:
Will God’s love continue to save a sinner that continues to sin (to crucify Jesus Christ)? Or Is there a time that God’s love will cease to grant forgiveness to the sinner because the sinner continues to sin against the Holy Spirit? (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
If God commanded us to live a perfect life, does it not mean that He expects us to live a sinless life? It would not make any sense to live an imperfect life, would it? A life short from perfection of character will reap eternal death.- (Romans 6:23) 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Hebrews 6:4-6 - 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
If a person that confesses he/she is a believer and continues to sin they are saying simply; “Jesus what you did on the cross wasn’t enough for me to stop sinning”. It’s a shameful state and impossible for a person that truly accepted Christ’s suffering on the cross! Allow the Holy Spirit to reveal truths that is contrary to the natural man. (1 Cor 2:10-16)
Romans 6:1 – What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
God’s grace forbids us to live in sin. When we sin, we are of the devil. (1 John 3:8)
Is not a bit of confusion found from not coming to terms with the difference between habitual flaunting of sin and the one overtaken in a fault?
The Scriptures state that “God is faithful even in our (the believer’s) unfaithfulness.”
The Scriptures state that, if one is overtaken in a fault, the Spiritual are to go to that person to attempt to restore them.
The parable of the prodigal is given, too. The son squandered all, but returned still a son.
Do not the Scriptures teach that confession leads to cleansing?
Certainly, I know more than one who (imo) fit the Hebrews 6 statement, God knows their heart, not me. All I see is the evidence, the fruit of obstinacy.
However, the joy of seeing one repentant before the Lord is a matter of the redeemed and even the angels rejoicing.
For believers, they must take Hebrews 6 in the light of Romans 8
33Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies; 34who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. 35Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36Just as it is written,
“FOR YOUR SAKE WE ARE BEING PUT TO DEATH ALL DAY LONG;
WE WERE CONSIDERED AS SHEEP TO BE SLAUGHTERED.”
37But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us.38For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
You say you intend to reply then you don't reply. Here is the question, for the third time:
"Do you claim sinless perfection?" Yes or no?
Is there a limit to how many times God will forgive (1Jn 1:9)?