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Charismatic Errors Listed

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awaken

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DHK said:
That is a false doctrine.
Jesus healed multitudes. Very few of them had faith.
Jesus healed Ten Lepers. Only one of them had faith.
Peter healed thousands. Very few had faith.

It does not take faith on the part of the one needing to be healed; rather it takes faith on the part of the "healer," the pastor. "And the prayer of faith shall save the sick." Who prays the "prayer of faith," in James 5? The sick person or the elders of the church? Then whose responsibility is it to have faith?
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It takes faith for the sick person to go to the elders!
 
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DHK

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awaken said:
I have no idea what your stand is on this matter..you have gone back and forth on so many issues I can not keep up with what you believe.
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You have no idea??
I will put it very bluntly so you will understand.

You said that there plenty of leper colonies in Jesus' day. Why didn't Jesus and the apostles go and empty them out?

You are misinformed, ignorant, and lied by not looking up information first.
Stop with your foolish ignorance.

I quoted for you a source that says that leper colonies did not even come into existence until the middle ages thus could hardly have been in existence in the time of Christ.

My stand is factual. Biblical. Historical. You allow your emotions to dictate what you believe. Put down anything in writing without checking your facts. There were no colonies for Jesus to empty out.

But there are plenty of hospitals for faith healers to empty out. But they can't do it because there is no such thing as a gift of healing for today.
Understood!!!!
 
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awaken

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DHK said:
You have no idea??
I will put it very bluntly so you will understand.

You said that there plenty of leper colonies in Jesus' day. Why didn't Jesus and the apostles go and empty them out?

You are misinformed, ignorant, and lied by not looking up information first.
Stop with your foolish ignorance.

I quoted for you a source that says that leper colonies did not even come into existence until the middle ages thus could hardly have been in existence in the time of Christ.

My stand is factual. Biblical. Historical. You allow your emotions to dictate what you believe. Put down anything in writing without checking your facts. There were no colonies for Jesus to empty out.

But there are plenty of hospitals for faith healers to empty out. But they can't do it because there is no such thing as a gift of healing for today.
Understood!!!!
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No! WHat you do not understand is that Jesus did not heal everyone! That is a fact!
 
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DHK

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awaken said:
No! WHat you do not understand is that Jesus did not heal everyone! That is a fact!
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Jesus healed all that came to him. And that is a fact. I have backed that up with Scripture. You only give your opinion. I listen to the Scripture, not you.
 
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awaken

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DHK said:
Jesus healed all that came to him. And that is a fact. I have backed that up with Scripture. You only give your opinion. I listen to the Scripture, not you.
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NOw, you are just repeating what I have already said! Go back and read the post! I have said all along that Jesus did not heal all... JUST THE ONES THAT CAME TO HIM. So even when we agree..you are so bent on proving everything I say is wrong...you look right over this fact! We have agreed on this several post back!

So what is your point! Jesus will is to heal all that come to him! Yes! and that is still his will!
 
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DHK

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awaken said:
NOw, you are just repeating what I have already said! Go back and read the post! I have said all along that Jesus did not heal all... JUST THE ONES THAT CAME TO HIM. So even when we agree..you are so bent on proving everything I say is wrong...you look right over this fact! We have agreed on this several post back!

So what is your point! Jesus will is to heal all that come to him! Yes! and that is still his will!
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No, you simply contradict yourself to the point of lying.
 
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DHK

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awaken said:
Go back and read! I did not contradict we were saying the same thing!

Now you are calling me a liar? I guess the rules do not apply to moderaters!
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Yes, even when historical errors in your postings are pointed out, errors that expose your wrong theology, you will not admit you are wrong. You will not admit that you were wrong historically or theologically or that you changed your position half way through the thread like a hypocrite--saying one thing and then saying another because you were cornered.
 
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awaken

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DHK said:
Yes, even when historical errors in your postings are pointed out, errors that expose your wrong theology, you will not admit you are wrong. You will not admit that you were wrong historically or theologically or that you changed your position half way through the thread like a hypocrite--saying one thing and then saying another because you were cornered.
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Show me where I changed my mind! I have been misunderstood and corrected that.. but my belief has not changed!
 
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jonathan.borland

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Mark 6:5 And he could do no mighty work there, except that he laid his hands on a few sick people and healed them.

Well could he or couldn't he? Oops, poor little Mark messed up with his sloppy Greek. Guess that's why Matthew had to correct him in Matt 13:58? Nah, I'll stick with Mark's verbiage: God CAN'T save people who ain't got faith.
 
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awaken

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jonathan.borland said:
Mark 6:5 And he could do no mighty work there, except that he laid his hands on a few sick people and healed them.

Well could he or couldn't he? Oops, poor little Mark messed up with his sloppy Greek. Guess that's why Matthew had to correct him in Matt 13:58? Nah, I'll stick with Mark's verbiage: God CAN'T save people who ain't got faith.
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Ever wonder why it was just a few? There had to be more than a few in that town. Jesus did not heal all! Only the ones that came to him! I believe His will was to heal them all!
I will agree that if people do not act on their faith...salvation or anything else that God says is ours through Christ will not manifest in our lives.
 
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plain_n_simple

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DHK said:
Lazarus was a believer, and Lazarus was dead. How much faith did this man exhibit?
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That is my point. It is the faith of the one healing that matters most, not the one getting healed. When I pray for the sick, I am the one speaking to the mountain. Often times inexperienced people will ask God to heal them, this is incorrect, we speak to the sickness in His name.I
 
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DHK

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jonathan.borland said:
Mark 6:5 And he could do no mighty work there, except that he laid his hands on a few sick people and healed them.

Well could he or couldn't he? Oops, poor little Mark messed up with his sloppy Greek. Guess that's why Matthew had to correct him in Matt 13:58? Nah, I'll stick with Mark's verbiage: God CAN'T save people who ain't got faith.
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That's true, but he can heal them, and did--thousands upon thousands, most of whom were not saved.
 
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awaken

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DHK said:
The thief on the cross, Abraham, Lot, Noah, Enoch, Elijah, Moses, for starters. Do you want me to name more?
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So they were all saved before the cross? So people were saved before Jesus died and resurrected? So would you say they were saved by Faith?
 
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