Featured Chosen in Him Before the Foundation of the world

Abraham for example did not recieve the New birth because Jesus had not Died yet . He would not be able to be in heaven until all sins had been redeemed . No one can see Heaven until Jesus had redeemed the entire cosmos ..including all the sins that the old sacrifices temporarily were covered but not yet redeemed . Jesus is telling nicodemus that he cannot enter the kingdom unless he was born again . Calvernists place the emphasis on the ' seeing part because they believe in regeneration precedes faith, which I.ll assume you also believe ( thus making this Calvernist bingo nearly complete lol . Or it really is a coincidence that so far you line up with the 5 points of calvernism. With no influence and just reading the bible I will be amazed lol .

 

Notice in 2 thes 2 .13 please read again and ask what ' beginning ' ? in the beginning when ? it doesnt say before the foundation of the world does it ? you see ' beginning and somehow imagine that's the beginning of time .
13¶But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
the ' beginning is when Paul first preached the Gosepl to them. they are fearful. They believe they have possibly missed the Lords return because of a false letter . They are suffering intense persecution..So paul comforts them by reminding them from the beginning they are going to be ok they are chosen ( for service) to salvation BY SANCTIFICATION OF THE SPIRT AND BELIEF OF THE TRUTH .
in other words fear not your ( final ) salvation is secure through when ( in the beginning you believed the truth and were sanctified ( set apart) and chosen for this purpose after you believed.

 

In Gods mind ? no where in the bible does it say you were selected in Gods mind before you existed to be saved .
notice here what the bible says your position was before you were saved ( an enemy of God and lost .
11¶Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

 

no verse says anything about you being saved in the mind of God . That's gnostisicm .

 

No one was sealed by the Holy spirit until the day of redemption in the old testament ( the NEW birth )

 

Eternal life ( in the sense Jesus meant ) had to be recieved. This life is in Jesus . Thus all those ' in Christ ' have eternal life and this life cannot be lost or taken from you. OSAS

 

The key word is ' Through '

 

We are not Known in any biblical sense ( intimately wise ) until we are saved and in Him .
8¶Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Gal 4
notice we are known of God after we are saved . Before then we are lost . So the idea you were 'known of God 'in any biblical sense is another nod to calvernism and not scripture . Accidentally or other wise you hold to the 5 points of calvernism which is distinct and not found in any other system.

 

Again I appreciate your response. This is good bible study . Thank you .
Ok from the bible itself we know that before being in him ephesians 2 makes clear that we were outside of Christ , lost and without hope. So we know from the scriptures that no one is in Jesus christ until they are placed in him . We can also see in Ephesians how we get in Christ
13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
So this is the only means of being in Him .
As for the blessings we can see these only occur once a person becomes in him .
We see all over that the person who is not in him is certainly not blessed with spiritual blessing in heavenly places .
What we should expect to see if your idea is true is verses that say ' we were chosen to be placed into Jesus before the foundation of the world ' .
There are words in the bible that with a certain persuasion folks use to steer in a particular direction : Chosen , ordained , elect , predestined ect . But for example the word Elect is to service . Its always in context to doing something. It's never to be saved . Context is key here . Again in 2 thes 2 . 13 in context this is about reassuring believers that they haven't missed the return of christ and there not set aside to suffer the tribulation. Gods methods for salvation in the church age are through believing the truth and sanctification of the spirit ( as opposed to circumcision and the sacrifices ect ) . So from the beginning ( when Paul brought the Gosepl to them ) hearing that by believing the truth and sanctification of the spirit ( set apart by the Holy spirit) they needing reminding that they are on course and they are not of those left to destruction.

 

So 2 thes is a reminder to those who fear that they have missed the boat that from the beginning that they have been 'chosen ' ( service , to go through this persecution) but they are of those that believed the truth and sanctification of the spirit. And are thus not destined for wrath .
1 thes 5
9For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
11¶Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
notice paul is having to remind them of there security..So the context of 2 thes 1 with the clear verses about how we get in Jesus christ are thus . We are placed into Jesus christ by believing the truth and sanctification of the spirit. ( sealed by the Holy spirit until the day of redemption) There are too many clear verses that state how we are saved in the new testament to be confused . There is a need by Paul to remind believers that in spite of suffering they are secure . 'Nothing can separate ' Dont we need this at times also ? . If it said from the beginning before the creation of the world then you might have a point . The clear verses explain the context.

 

All blessings are only for believers. Believers are never in Him until they believe..No one has any blessings outside of Jesus . We can say however that God purposed before the foundation of the world that anyone who would believe the Gosepl would be sealed by the Holy spirit until the day of redemption. That's good bible .

 

That's ok , no problem . I appreciate the response .

 

9¶But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
10Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. Always ask ' chosen for what '?. . The same for the word ' Elect ' . elected to do what ? The above verse 8immediately tells you what they have been chosen to do or be .
A saint is someone who has believed the Gosp