Chosen in Him Before the Foundation of the world

[Barry Johnson]

Are you saying God has a beginning and end?

huh? no I'm saying that when we come across a word ' beginning ' we ask what beginning? the beginning of creation? the beginning of the Gospel ? the beginning of Paul's ministry? the beginning of lunch break ? ...why do believe 2 thes 2.13 is not the beginning when Paul first met those in thes and shared the gospel with them. And we know from other places ' salvation ' is also used in a future sense . Saved as in nearer to our salvation than when we first believed.

 

[1689Dave]

huh? no I'm saying that when we come across a word ' beginning ' we ask what beginning? the beginning of creation? the beginning of the Gospel ? the beginning of Paul's ministry? the beginning of lunch break ? ...why do believe 2 thes 2.13 is not the beginning when Paul first met those in thes and shared the gospel with them. And we know from other places ' salvation ' is also used in a future sense . Saved as in nearer to our salvation than when we first believed.

Jesus says believers have eternal life. No beginning or end.

 

[Revmitchell]

“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” Philippians 2:13 (KJV 1900)

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 10:17 NKJV
Romans 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. | New King James Version (NKJV) | Download The Bible App Now

 

[1689Dave]

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 10:17 NKJV
Romans 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. | New King James Version (NKJV) | Download The Bible App Now

The Pharisees heard. Why didn't they have faith?

 

[Revmitchell]

The Pharisees heard. Why didn't they have faith?

For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
John 3:20 NKJV
John 3:20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. | New King James Version (NKJV) | Download The Bible App Now

 

[1689Dave]

For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
John 3:20 NKJV
John 3:20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. | New King James Version (NKJV) | Download The Bible App Now

“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved [have eternal life] it is the power of God.” 1 Corinthians 1:18 (KJV 1900)

 

[Barry Johnson]

“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved [have eternal life] it is the power of God.” 1 Corinthians 1:18 (KJV 1900)

Yes the preaching of the Gosepl is foolishness to those who are as yet not saved . But when they get saved it wont be .

 

[Barry Johnson]

For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
John 3:20 NKJV
John 3:20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. | New King James Version (NKJV) | Download The Bible App Now

Because they chose not to believe so as to be saved .

 

[1689Dave]

Yes the preaching of the Gosepl is foolishness to those who are as yet not saved . But when they get saved it wont be .

They are saved in eternity. They come to the light.

 

[Barry Johnson]

For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
John 3:20 NKJV
John 3:20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. | New King James Version (NKJV) | Download The Bible App Now

Yes there are those that dont want to come to the light .

 

[Barry Johnson]

They are saved in eternity. They come to the light.

no verse says this .

 

[Barry Johnson]

The Pharisees heard. Why didn't they have faith?

Not everyone who hears believes.

 

[1689Dave]

Because they chose not to believe so as to be saved .

So why does the word not produce faith in them? If it did, they would be saved. Free will makes them the savior, not God.

 

[1689Dave]

no verse says this .

“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.” John 6:47 (ESV)

 

[Revmitchell]

So why does the word not produce faith in them? If it did, they would be saved. Free will makes them the savior, not God.

Nothing about this post is true

 

[Barry Johnson]

So why does the word not produce faith in them? If it did, they would be saved. Free will makes them the savior, not God.

Because it pleases God to save those that believe. That's Gods sovereign choice to save those by belief. God has every right to choose to do this . Who are you to argue oh man ?

 

[1689Dave]

Nothing about this post is true

You deny the supernatural aspect of salvation if it depends on free will.

 

[1689Dave]

Not everyone who hears believes.

Why?

 

[1689Dave]

Because it pleases God to save those that believe. That's Gods sovereign choice to save those by belief. God has every right to choose to do this . Who are you to argue oh man ?

Only the saved can believe.

 

[Barry Johnson]

So why does the word not produce faith in them? If it did, they would be saved. Free will makes them the savior, not God.

Its not about the philosophy of free will and determinism . who cares about that ? what we want is what God said he has done freely .