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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Barry Johnson, Jun 12, 2020.

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    huh? no I'm saying that when we come across a word ' beginning ' we ask what beginning? the beginning of creation? the beginning of the Gospel ? the beginning of Paul's ministry? the beginning of lunch break ? ...why do believe 2 thes 2.13 is not the beginning when Paul first met those in thes and shared the gospel with them. And we know from other places ' salvation ' is also used in a future sense . Saved as in nearer to our salvation than when we first believed.
     
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    Jesus says believers have eternal life. No beginning or end.
     
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    “For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved [have eternal life] it is the power of God.” 1 Corinthians 1:18 (KJV 1900)
     
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    Yes the preaching of the Gosepl is foolishness to those who are as yet not saved . But when they get saved it wont be .
     
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    They are saved in eternity. They come to the light.
     
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    no verse says this .
     
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    Not everyone who hears believes.
     
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    So why does the word not produce faith in them? If it did, they would be saved. Free will makes them the savior, not God.
     
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    “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.” John 6:47 (ESV)
     
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    Nothing about this post is true
     
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    Because it pleases God to save those that believe. That's Gods sovereign choice to save those by belief. God has every right to choose to do this . Who are you to argue oh man ?
     
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    You deny the supernatural aspect of salvation if it depends on free will.
     
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    Why?
     
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    Only the saved can believe.
     
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    Its not about the philosophy of free will and determinism . who cares about that ? what we want is what God said he has done freely .
     
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