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Chosen to Eternal Life? [Acts 13:48]

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Iconoclast

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I believe that all those who are among the redeemed should study and try to understand what God is telling us in His Word. Scripture tells us:

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Study is essential. God is not going to open our skull and give us infallible understanding of His Word. We also read the following:

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

This passage is interpreted by many to mean that the Holy Spirit must be instrumental in our understanding of Scripture. That interpretation is consistent with the teaching of Jesus Christ about the Holy Spirit.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Now it is obvious to all on this Board that different people understand some Scripture differently. The Holy Spirit is not confused so that means that some of us are wrong.

I also believe that some people have a better understanding of certain Scripture than others, perhaps because they study more, are more receptive to the Holy spirit; I don't know.

It is both arrogant and foolish for anyone to believe they the sole arbiter of what Scripture teaches. I am not ashamed to use the writings of others, where appropriate, to amplify my understanding. Obviously there is more error published about the teaching of the Bible than truth so one must use discernment.

I use Gill, Spurgeon, Clarke on occasion, Dagg, Carroll, among others. Sometimes my understanding of difficult Scripture is improved. Other times I cannot accept what these Old Saints teach, but they are always beneficial to me. [I should note that I also read Mohler and MacArthur.]

My point once again in this long post is that there is no one on this Forum who cannot learn from the teaching of other Christians. To denigrate that teaching is silly, and arrogant. No one is the sole conduit for the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

So hang in there brother and don't let them beat you down!:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

Yes...of course this is a biblical perspective. We are to search the scripture like the bereans to see if these things are so.
Even when reading trusted guides, we will not always be in agreement.That is fine. We are to serve the lord as we continue to grow.
You are posting the truth and can see the level of rebellion it brings.
Just as Jesus said it would.
 

HeirofSalvation

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Yes...of course this is a biblical perspective. We are to search the scripture like the bereans to see if these things are so.
Even when reading trusted guides, we will not always be in agreement.That is fine. We are to serve the lord as we continue to grow.
You are posting the truth and can see the level of rebellion it brings.
Just as Jesus said it would.

can see the level of rebellion it brings.

Rebellion....that's what it is..."rebellion"...shall we mention the "remnant" you spoke of in the other thread who don't "bow their heads to baal or other gods" or whatever accusation of damnation you claim?
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1875904&postcount=11

1Ki 19:18 Yet I have left [me] seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.

Yet again, Icon accuses fellow Christians and a moderator of Satan-worship, and does so with impunity...

I am sure that "Dr. Bob" will call you on this tactic....

Oh....Never mind....

He won't....post on.
 

freeatlast

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I believe that all those who are among the redeemed should study and try to understand what God is telling us in His Word. Scripture tells us:

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Study is essential. God is not going to open our skull and give us infallible understanding of His Word. We also read the following:

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

This passage is interpreted by many to mean that the Holy Spirit must be instrumental in our understanding of Scripture. That interpretation is consistent with the teaching of Jesus Christ about the Holy Spirit.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Now it is obvious to all on this Board that different people understand some Scripture differently. The Holy Spirit is not confused so that means that some of us are wrong.

I also believe that some people have a better understanding of certain Scripture than others, perhaps because they study more, are more receptive to the Holy spirit; I don't know.

It is both arrogant and foolish for anyone to believe they the sole arbiter of what Scripture teaches. I am not ashamed to use the writings of others, where appropriate, to amplify my understanding. Obviously there is more error published about the teaching of the Bible than truth so one must use discernment.

I use Gill, Spurgeon, Clarke on occasion, Dagg, Carroll, among others. Sometimes my understanding of difficult Scripture is improved. Other times I cannot accept what these Old Saints teach, but they are always beneficial to me. [I should note that I also read Mohler and MacArthur.]

My point once again in this long post is that there is no one on this Forum who cannot learn from the teaching of other Christians. To denigrate that teaching is silly, and arrogant. No one is the sole conduit for the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

So hang in there brother and don't let them beat you down!:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

Study is good, but believing what is studied instead of reading into it is best. God elects, men exercise free will and salvation takes place.
 

webdog

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Yes...of course this is a biblical perspective. We are to search the scripture like the bereans to see if these things are so.
Even when reading trusted guides, we will not always be in agreement.That is fine. We are to serve the lord as we continue to grow.
You are posting the truth and can see the level of rebellion it brings.
Just as Jesus said it would.
Let me see if your exposition flies. Those "appointed" in verse 47...is the word appointed to be taken the same was as you say it is in verse 48? If so why hasn't every jew brought the Gospel to the Gentiles? My brother in law is a jew...and he rejects the Gospel. According to your hermeneutic, God's decree has failed.
 

OldRegular

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Study is good, but believing what is studied instead of reading into it is best.
Very good advice. Sadly you do not heed it.

God elects, men exercise free will and salvation takes place.

You say and have said God elects or chooses some to Salvation. So what does that say about God if the one chosen exercises his free will and rejects Salvation. Does that mean God is impotent?
 

MB

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You really need to read the passage until you understand what "ordained or appointed to eternal life" means! God does the ordaining or appointing.

As for other witnesses, are you questioning the Holy Spirit. What other witness is needed. If you are looking for other Scripture then ask. But you already know where they are.

Well there you go. First you accuse me of questioning the Holy Spirit as if it was some kind of sin. You are absolutely right I do question the way this verse was translated, because every where else in scripture it says the exact opposite.
You hold to one verse and claim it is truth. Your arguement here is very weak, because you have nothing with which to back it up. In the Greek faith comes first before the appointment.
MB
 

The Archangel

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Well there you go. First you accuse me of questioning the Holy Spirit as if it was some kind of sin. You are absolutely right I do question the way this verse was translated, because every where else in scripture it says the exact opposite.
You hold to one verse and claim it is truth. Your argument here is very weak, because you have nothing with which to back it up. In the Greek faith comes first before the appointment.
MB

...not meaning to get into the middle of the (unfortunate) acrimony here...

You make the statement, "In the Greek[,] faith comes first before the appointment." I'm curious what citation you might have in mind in making this statement.

The Archangel
 

Iconoclast

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Let me see if your exposition flies. Those "appointed" in verse 47...is the word appointed to be taken the same was as you say it is in verse 48? If so why hasn't every jew brought the Gospel to the Gentiles? My brother in law is a jew...and he rejects the Gospel. According to your hermeneutic, God's decree has failed.

God's decree is unfolding perfectly. I do not have the false idea ,that ALL jews, or ALL gentiles...means every single person without exception.
Not all israel is of israel.....Paul always speaks of the OT believers as an ELECT remnant....The Servant of the Lord....Isa 40-54...particularly brings all things to gether.
Not every Jew in Israel gets saved. Not every gentile in the world gets saved.

The text is very clear......AS Many As were ordained.....as many does not mean all persons......
32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,

33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:

37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.

38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;

41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.

42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

WebDog.....Paul by the Spirit is quoting from Isa 49;1-8...The Servant of the Lord gathering All,ie, jew and gentile into one new man...gentiles come to the light....not all gentiles.....many of them...
That is what Jn 12 is speaking of....not the jew only...I will draw all men to me.....gentiles included.

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.

50 But the Jews stirred up the devout and honourable women, and the chief men of the city, and raised persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts.
 

Iconoclast

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Rebellion....that's what it is..."rebellion"...shall we mention the "remnant" you spoke of in the other thread who don't "bow their heads to baal or other gods" or whatever accusation of damnation you claim?
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1875904&postcount=11

1Ki 19:18 Yet I have left [me] seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.

Yet again, Icon accuses fellow Christians and a moderator of Satan-worship, and does so with impunity...I am sure that "Dr. Bob" will call you on this tactic....

Oh....Never mind....

He won't....post on.

You have an over active imagination Hos.You missed the whole point of the reference. Just because i do not care for your hero cs lewis you have just been looking to attack at all times. This is childish nonsense. Why not stop this poor conduct. God always preserves His covenant people... In Elijahs day..or our day.
His ELECT are called to salvation/ the preaching of the gospel discovers who they are. pretty simple. God has always preserved the godly line, and always will.....Even if you do not like it.:thumbs::thumbs:
 

OldRegular

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Well there you go. First you accuse me of questioning the Holy Spirit as if it was some kind of sin. You are absolutely right I do question the way this verse was translated, because every where else in scripture it says the exact opposite.
Not really. Scripture does not contradicd itself!
You hold to one verse and claim it is truth. Your arguement here is very weak, because you have nothing with which to back it up. In the Greek faith comes first before the appointment.
MB

Then prove it!

Just for you MB!

Ephesians 1:3-6
3. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4. According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5. Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6. To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
 

HeirofSalvation

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You have an over active imagination Hos.You missed the whole point of the reference.

I don't think so...One person denied a Cal premise and you refer to Calvinists specifically as the "remnant". Are you claiming that you were only making a random statement about there being a saved remnant presumably including everyone? O.K. You are insulting my intelligence...but I'll go ahead and bite. I'll accept that I was merely mistaken and that the context was not obvious.

Just because i do not care for your hero cs lewis

It is immaterial to me what your feelings about Lewis are. It doesn't insult or bother me...truth be told, whether it should or not, it actually makes me pity you.

you have just been looking to attack at all times.

Nosir....I am merely calling you out when you are unnecessarily insulting to others. That is not "attacking" anyone.

God always preserves His covenant people... In Elijahs day..or our day.
His ELECT are called to salvation/ the preaching of the gospel discovers who they are. pretty simple. God has always preserved the godly line, and always will.....Even if you do not like it.:thumbs::thumbs:

This is precisely the problem Icon....You were fine up till this point:
Even if you do not like it.:
Why would I, or anyone here "not like it"....why?? Only a non-elect person...one who does, in fact, bow themselves before Baal would dislike it, or take umbrage at it. What are we supposed to infer? That you are merely making random commentary about Covenant Theology? I am merely calling you out on your own posting here...I'll buy your claim that you were merely being irenic, and that I completely missed the point of your reference, and that my imagination ran off with me...Ok. I am not confident though, that you won't make such unnecessary statements again. I hope I'm wrong.
 

MB

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...not meaning to get into the middle of the (unfortunate) acrimony here...

You make the statement, "In the Greek[,] faith comes first before the appointment." I'm curious what citation you might have in mind in making this statement.

The Archangel
Act 13:48 ακουονταG191 V-PAP-NPN δεG1161 CONJ ταG3588 T-NPN εθνηG1484 N-NPN εχαιρονG5463 V-IAI-3P καιG2532 CONJ εδοξαζονG1392 V-IAI-3P τονG3588 T-ASM λογονG3056 N-ASM τουG3588 T-GSM κυριουG2962 N-GSM καιG2532 CONJ επιστευσανG4100 V-AAI-3P οσοιG3745 K-NPM ησανG1510 V-IAI-3P τεταγμενοιG5021 V-RPP-NPM ειςG1519 PREP ζωηνG2222 N-ASF αιωνιονG166 A-ASF

Schrivener's Greek New Testiment.
G4100 which is translated as faith G5021 is translated as appointed
MB
 

The Archangel

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Act 13:48 ακουονταG191 V-PAP-NPN δεG1161 CONJ ταG3588 T-NPN εθνηG1484 N-NPN εχαιρονG5463 V-IAI-3P καιG2532 CONJ εδοξαζονG1392 V-IAI-3P τονG3588 T-ASM λογονG3056 N-ASM τουG3588 T-GSM κυριουG2962 N-GSM καιG2532 CONJ επιστευσανG4100 V-AAI-3P οσοιG3745 K-NPM ησανG1510 V-IAI-3P τεταγμενοιG5021 V-RPP-NPM ειςG1519 PREP ζωηνG2222 N-ASF αιωνιονG166 A-ASF

Schrivener's Greek New Testiment.
G4100 which is translated as faith G5021 is translated as appointed
MB

So what exactly are you arguing?

Are you saying that "faith" comes before "appointed" in the word order and that's why faith precedes appointment?

The Archangel
 

OldRegular

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So what exactly are you arguing?

Are you saying that "faith" comes before "appointed" in the word order and that's why faith precedes appointment?

The Archangel

I don't read Greek but that was funny looking stuff that MB posted! Looked like a mixture of Greek and English.

Looks to me like Young's Literal Translation is pretty clear:

YLT: And the nations hearing were glad, and were glorifying the word of the Lord, and did believe--as many as were appointed to life age-during;

The ones who believe are the ones appointed!
 

webdog

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I don't read Greek but that was funny looking stuff that MB posted! Looked like a mixture of Greek and English.

Looks to me like Young's Literal Translation is pretty clear:

YLT: And the nations hearing were glad, and were glorifying the word of the Lord, and did believe--as many as were appointed to life age-during;

The ones who believe are the ones appointed!

Yes...in context when you back up a verse...the gentiles!
 

percho

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Yes...in context when you back up a verse...the gentiles!

13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you:(You Jews) but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. For so hath the Lord commanded us, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.


Who believed?

Acts 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.


Did he, take out of, or did he have the word preached and who ever believed God let on the boat?
 

OldRegular

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13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you:(You Jews) but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. For so hath the Lord commanded us, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.


Who believed?

Acts 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.


Did he, take out of, or did he have the word preached and who ever believed God let on the boat?

God took out those He had chosen or ordained to salvation.
 
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