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Christians in politics

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by JonC, Feb 24, 2021.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    You want to read the Christian manifesto by Francis Schaffer!
     
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    Politics and the arts and basically all areas of culture are not evil and satanic, but can become influenced by such when we refuse to engage !
     
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    You are mistaken.... Christ has been in the world since it’s creation.
     
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    Which Francis Schaffer ... the son or the father?
     
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    Senior. It's available on Amazon.
     
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    That’s the job of the Holy Ghost, not you. You want to do something, go feed somebody.
     
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    Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

    25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

    25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

    25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

    25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

    25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

    25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

    25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

    25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

    25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

    25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

    25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

    25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

    25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

    25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

    25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

    I agree, show me your witness by what you do, not by what you say!... Brother Glen:)
     
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    1 Cor 5: 12 For what business is it of mine to judge outsiders? Don’t you judge those who are inside? God judges outsiders. Remove the evil person from among you.,

    So you are saying that Paul did not write that we are not to judge outsiders (those outside the church) but instead Paul wrote that we are to be judges of the world????
     
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    The father, the good one!
     
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    Jesus commanded us to take the light out into all of the darkness, correct?
     
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    Again, I said the same thing.

    What makes things satanic is not the thing itself. Music can be good and glorify God. But music can also be satanic. Art can be good, and glorify God, but art can also be pornographic. Literature can be good and glorify God. And literature can be satanic.

    Politics can be good and concerned with the activities of the kingdom of God, and politics can be satanic and concerned with the activities of the World.

    Christians are called to be kingdom people. We are called to be in the world but not of the world.

    Why would a Christian decide to influence the world to be a more moral place rather than to lead people who are in the world to Christ? Why would a Christian exchange the ministry of reconciliation with the goals of secular politics? Why would a Christian desire to see the world be a moral place, knowing that the morality would be shallow as the world is already condemned, perishing, and in opposition to God? Why clothe Satan in "light"? Why try to make the wolves wear sheep skins?
     
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    Why does it have to be either/or?
     
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    We are to be a light - not to judge the world but to be a light to those in darkness.

    I am not saying that we are to refrain from witnessing to Republicans and Democrats. I am saying we are called to be separate from secular politics.

    You do not have to be a drunk to witness to drunkards. You really don't even have to enter a bar.

    Which political party has as its platform the light of the gospel of Jesus Christ?
     
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    Because the world is (if Jesus is to be taken seriously) an enemy of God and Christians have to choose whom they will follow.
     
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    Well, one Party states God does exist, that abortion is wrong, as is same sex marriages, correct?
     
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    The world system is enemy to God, but no reason not to engage with intent to change it!
     
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    Which party proclaims the gospel?

    Muslims believe God exists. Muslims are anti-SSM. Many atheists are anti-abortion. So what?

    We are not saved by being morally correct. Those who ware not with Christ are against Christ. Link to the official GOP platform that states the gospel of Jesus Christ.
     
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    We are not called to change the world system.

    We are called to be used of God to change people.

    We are not called to engage the world system.

    We are called to engage people.

    We are called to be witness of Christ to people who are sinners. This is what Paul called the "ministry of reconciliation".
     
    #118 JonC, Mar 3, 2021
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    I like the son
     
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    Oh LOL... you want to reconcile. That’s not what evangelicals want to do. They want to burn anything down that doesn’t walk lock step with them. Really Jon, there is no love there. You are attempting to discuss love and forgiveness and mercy and humility with people who believe it’s either their way or the highway. And that is why your argument will never gain any traction.
     
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