Christians in politics

JonC,

I don't need to answer your question. You quote the Fathers as if they were the bible but they are not. Beyond the good things they wrote weren't there some stinky things too?

And you side stepped my remarks by putting me on the defensive.

Here it is again:

"Ok then those that preach no secular involvement, to be consistent, should preach against involvement in secular arts, cultural activities, or anything secular."

That is where non-involvement in anything secular leads.

Also no cigars, not too much alcohol, no girlie pics, doesn't the list even in the bible go further?

The "fruit " of the natural man.

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
These are the things which defile a man:
Matthew 15:19-20a

Unfortunately, even the Christian man does it.

Thank God for 1John 1:9.

The heart is deceitful above all things,
and desperately wicked:
who can know it?
Jeremiah 17:9

Are you saying that does not apply to us?

No one is filled with the Spirit of Christ 24/7.

As we have therefore opportunity,
let us do good unto all men,
especially unto them that are of the household of faith.
Galatians 6:10

 

Here it is again:

"Ok then those that preach no secular involvement, to be consistent, should preach against involvement in secular arts, cultural activities, or anything secular."

Hey don't forget you quoted all those fathers too.

Why don't you remember doing that?

Are they not like your verses?

This, by the way, is a deflection made to induce guilt, "Why is it wrong for a Christian to refrain from secular politics to engage the World instead with the gospel of Jesus Christ?"

Nobody said it was a substitute for sharing the gospel.

Only you.

And this one on a technicality:

"The Spirit dwells in us 24/7."

So you never sin or grieve Him?

He does not leave but He gets hurt.

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Ephesians 4:30

I don't have to post verses that God says it's ok to be involved in secular politics.

You are my proof of it.

Your stated purpose might be working for the kingdom here on the forum but look at all the things you post negatively about policies and politicians.

Especially attacking politicians.

That's not "kingdom" behavior.

Oh right, it is exposing their evil deeds like it says to do in the bible.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
Ephesians 5:11

You are not in fellowship with them, I know that.

What about politicians that some of us on the board think are doing something good?

No, even if you don't know what they are doing, but there is something else bad about them, you will rail on them, in effect defeating the good.

Oh, that's right, Jesus exposed secular politicians.

No, He attacked the religious politicians.

Did He attack Pilate?

Nope. He did not attack secular politicians.

You are a political junkie like the rest of us but won't admit it.

All of us are "exposing" to some extent.

You said I'm just expressing my thoughts, I'm not telling any one to do anything.

Fooled me JonC.

Why are we doing this now then?

We are not all right about everything but we don't tell our fellows not to talk secular politics or act on beliefs because we are spiritual beings and it's not pleasing to God.

We have an opportunity to do good.

This is it.

 

JonC. Let's stop.

It's my bed time and I think you twist the things I say and add extraneous ideas in, that sound good but are not.

You have not answered my remark and I'm tired of this not-so-merry-go-round.

Do I have to search the threads to come up with your own words that counter this statement?

"I do not "rail" on politicians. As Paul said, we are to judge those on the inside, not the outside.

I have called Trump the best President we have had in decades"

That's what I mean.

See you in the political threads.

 

I could not go to sleep.

I remembered something you brought up that I did say but not on this thread.

It was about spending time on this forum rather than going out and sharing the gospel.

I admit I don't share the gospel much.

My fault and no one else's.

I also know I would find some other activity to avoid aggressive evangelism.

So I was wrong about that and apologize for it.

 

So if a Christian is a plumber, he should only plumb Christian homes. Don't be a plumber in the world.

Quantrill

 

You have criticized Democrats. Oh and you need your head examined if you hold to your Trump comment. There has never been a president in our history to foment insurrection until this character.

 

ALL politics would be "secular" though, in the sense the Lord Jesus has not set up shop on earth yet!

 

There is none!

 

He has it as all or nothing, but we can and should be part of the areas of our society and culture, such as the arts, tv, literature, etc!

 

There were Christians among some of our Founders, correct?
Harvard, Yale and Princeton were establish to educate and instruct pastors and teachers of Christianity, correct?

 

Trump NEVER did that!

 

So Christians cannot be Judges then?No one should even aspire to try to be a Supreme Court judge then if holding to Jesus as Lord?

 

No