Christians, War, and Violence

[robycop3]

Christians were wrong in taking part. God is a God of war and WWII was part of his plan for the world, not for the Church.

But He had to have men to fight the evildoers. You should thank God you don't hafta speak German now, & can have a Bible on your coffee table, rather than. Mein Kampf.

 

[robycop3]

Forensics aside, if the Lord gave them permission to carry a weapon then wouldn’t it be sensible to assume they were for protection and in wielding them ( deadly accurate or not ) He condoned violence in certain applications?

Jesus didn't just give them permission; he TOLD them to have some swords. Even though he knew they had 2 swords, He mentioned it for emphasis & put it in Scripture for that reason.

The highwaymen of that time often killed their vics to eliminate witnesses, and such brigands wouldn't've attacked the apostles over thei faith, but to rom and likely kill them. While there's no record of such an attack, again Jesus placed His order into Scripture for a reason. And I believe that he was saying in effect that it's all right to defend family, friend, or self against evildoers.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

After that goofy insanity about some imaginary critter you call an "Edomite Jew", you posted in that other thread, I thought you were seeing some light & "taking" Scripture more at face value, instead of your gang's private interps. Seems I was wrong!

I guess you are calling God a liar. Not surprising you have already devised your own doctrine and are trying to establish it as Christian.
2John 1:
Beware of Deceivers
…9Anyone who runs ahead without remaining in the teaching of Christ does not have God. Whoever remains in His teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10If anyone comes to you but does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home or even greet him. 11Whoever greets such a person shares in his evil deeds.…

Consider this then a final GOODBYE to you.

 

[Adonia]

Right, but he was fulfilling scripture. Nuclear war based on Jesus' whip is a far stretch, don't you think?

I see, so SOME violence is okay - as long as it is fulfilling scripture, did I get that right? But, but, you said it's always NO VIOLENCE, that Jesus was against violence at all times and for whatever reason. Nothing like a glaring contradiction on your part is all I can say.

 

[Van]

No violence. Self sacrifice is Christ like.

You are making up your own commands, which conflict with scripture.

 

[1689Dave]

But He had to have men to fight the evildoers. You should thank God you don't hafta speak German now, & can have a Bible on your coffee table, rather than. Mein Kampf.

If you are a Christian, your kingdom is not of this world. And if you do not remain neutral, you cannot reach those who you try to kill instead.

 

[1689Dave]

You are making up your own commands, which conflict with scripture.

Who said "love your enemies" Jesus? Or someone else?

 

[1689Dave]

Maybe not STARTING a war, but participating to defend one's people, family, land, etc.

I was a USN corpsman before I was saved. Did my salvation change my view of war? Not a bit.

If you believe scripture, Christians go to be with Christ at death which is far better. So you cheat them and yourself by killing to preserving their life. If you preserve the life of the wicked, they have only worse sin to pay for in eternity than had they simply died without your intervention. = Non resistance of evil is the only sane choice.

 

[Van]

Jesus forbids violence from his followers. God causes all war in judgement on nations. As revealed in the OT.

More nonsense. No scripture. Christians, acting under cover of government authority can and do use deadly force to protect themselves and others.

 

[1689Dave]

Maybe not STARTING a war, but participating to defend one's people, family, land, etc.

I was a USN corpsman before I was saved. Did my salvation change my view of war? Not a bit.

You might have been in a group who did not understand Jesus' commands about non violence.

 

[1689Dave]

More nonsense. No scripture. Christians, acting under cover of government authority can and do use deadly force to protect themselves and others.

Not according to Jesus.

 

[Van]

Who said "love your enemies" Jesus? Or someone else?

Yet another deflection. We, acting as individuals, are commanded to "love our enemies, but acting under cover of government authority we can and do use deadly force to protect ourselves and others.

 

[1689Dave]

Yet another deflection. We, acting as individuals, are commanded to "love our enemies, but acting under cover of government authority we can and do use deadly force to protect ourselves and others.

Really........... so you have Christians killing Christians on both sides?

 

[Van]

Not according to Jesus.

Your are attempting to nullify one scripture by distorting another. It all fits together.

 

[1689Dave]

Your are attempting to nullify one scripture by distorting another. It all fits together.

Please prove you are right about violence from the NT.

 

[Van]

Really........... so you have Christians killing Christians on both sides?

Here we have yet another attempt at nullification. Since some governments act in ungodly ways, and all governments sometimes act in ungodly ways, you can pick and choose which scriptures apply to you. Twaddle

 

[1689Dave]

Here we have yet another attempt at nullification. Since some governments act in ungodly ways, and all governments sometimes act in ungodly ways, you can pick and choose which scriptures apply to you. Twaddle

Shouldn't your government be in heaven, and not in Satan's domain?

 

[Van]

Please prove you are right about using force from the NT.

I already did, See post #145.

 

[1689Dave]

I already did, See post #145.

Seeing the blind spots in others ought to give us pause. We too are fallible, and undoubtedly have blind spots.

Governments are part of God's plan and Governments do not carry the sword for nothing.

Rom 13:3
For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same;

Rom 13:4
for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.

Where is the believer in this?

 

[Van]

Shouldn't your government be in heaven, and not in Satan's domain?

Yet another attempt to nullify scripture. God instituted government on earth and it does not carry the sword for nothing.

Try actually addressing scripture, rather than attempting to say it is wrong.