Christians, War, and Violence

[Earth Wind and Fire]

So the USA was wrong to defend ourselves against the NAZIS, the Imperial Japanese, or any aggressor who employs mass murder, holocaust etc. we are all to be pacifists.

I guess we were also wrong to fight the British for the freedoms we now enjoy.

 

[Van]

= German Christians killing American and British Christians and visa versa.

You are still deflecting, Christians act within the ministry of government.

When a mentally unstable shooter enters a school and is shooting as many children as he can, police (some professing Christians) enter at their own risk to save others using deadly force.

 

[1689Dave]

So the USA was wrong to defend ourselves against the NAZIS, the Imperial Japanese, or any aggressor who employs mass murder, holocaust etc. we are all to be pacifists.

I guess we were also wrong to fight the British for the freedoms we now enjoy.

Christians were wrong in taking part. God is a God of war and WWII was part of his plan for the world, not for the Church.

 

[1689Dave]

You are still deflecting, Christians act within the ministry of government.

When a mentally unstable shooter enters a school and is shooting as many children as he can, police (some professing Christians) enter at their own risk to save others using deadly force.

Human shield? Yes? Killer? No?

 

[Van]

Human shield? Yes? Killer? No?

You are just making unfounded assertions now. They used deadly force to protect children in accordance with government authority.

 

[Van]

We know Cornelius left the military and the early Church would not baptize military members unless they repented. (according to history).

Not how scripture presents Cornelius. He was baptized with the Holy Spirit (demonstrated by speaking in tongues).

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Christians were wrong in taking part. God is a God of war and WWII was part of his plan for the world, not for the Church.

However your Government mandated it.

 

[1689Dave]

However your Government mandated it.

Jesus mandated non violence for believers.

 

[1689Dave]

Not how scripture presents Cornelius. He was baptized with the Holy Spirit (demonstrated by speaking in tongues).

History is good.....

 

[1689Dave]

You are just making unfounded assertions now. They used deadly force to protect children in accordance with government authority.

No violence. Self sacrifice is Christ like.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Jesus mandated non violence for believers.

So the draft is only for non believers

 

[1689Dave]

So the draft is only for non believers

Christians should not be unequally yoked with unbelievers in the military.

 

[robycop3]

Jhn 18:10 KJV - Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.

I believe Simon Peter missed his mark. He was attempting to separate the servant;s head from his body. When he drew his sword, he had no intention of cutting off a ear.

While Peter had a short temper, he was a fisherman, not a trained warrior.

I'm trying to imagine what kinda blow Peter struck. Were he behind Malchus, & swung right-handed, the blow shoulda continued into Malchus' shoulder if he'd swung straight down. Were he facing Malchus, he mighta struck horizontally with his left hand & Malchus tried to duch the blow the blow, but failed to completely dodge it.

And there's no Scriptural record record of how Malchus reacted & what he did afterwards when Jesus picked up hie ear & re-attached it. (Nor any secular record, either.)

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Christians should not be unequally yoked with unbelievers in the military.

Jesus speaks of war and the use of violence in his parables and he does not make a point of condemning such behavior. For instance, he said, "Or what king, going out to wage war against another king, will not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to oppose the one who comes against him with twenty thousand?" (Lk. 14:31). Jesus also said, "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his castle, his property is safe" (Lk. 11:21). Jesus seems to recognize that war and violence are sometimes justified.

 

[InTheLight]

God is a God of war and WWII was part of his plan for the world, not for the Church.

Wow, the ultimate mind reader--able to read the mind of God.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Christians should not be unequally yoked with unbelievers in the military.

So if an unbeliever is now your commanding officer, you are to disobey him/her?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Wow, the ultimate mind reader--able to read the mind of God.

Yea, I should pray for all those who willingly gave up their lives so that we could have freedom because they were in effect disobeying Christ.

 

[1689Dave]

So if an unbeliever is now your commanding officer, you are to disobey him/her?

You should not be there. “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” 2 Corinthians 6:14 (KJV 1900)

 

[1689Dave]

Wow, the ultimate mind reader--able to read the mind of God.

It's all in the Bible. Lord of hosts in the OT = Lord of armies.

 

[1689Dave]

Jesus speaks of war and the use of violence in his parables and he does not make a point of condemning such behavior. For instance, he said, "Or what king, going out to wage war against another king, will not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to oppose the one who comes against him with twenty thousand?" (Lk. 14:31). Jesus also said, "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his castle, his property is safe" (Lk. 11:21). Jesus seems to recognize that war and violence are sometimes justified.

But loving enemies is a direct command.