Christians, War, and Violence

[HankD]

God is sovereign over the affairs of men. Liberty is His to give or take away. Just as Christ said : "You would have no power over me if not given from above". No it is not immoral to be in the world but not of it. "As long as this world stands there will always be scandal but WOE to him through whom scandal comes!". "If someone would take your purse give to him your cloak as well".
Laws are for the worldly Christians are to be subject to those powers and obey the Laws of the Land that do not force us to reject our God. That we are to not obey. But we are to be peaceable and good citizens. Police can be called when the worldly break the laws. But trivial disputes among brethren are to brought to the saints.
1 Corinthians 6:1-3
Lawsuits among Believers
1If any of you has a grievance against another, how dare he go to law before the unrighteous instead of before the saints! 2Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!…

This has to with the house of God concerning TRIVIAL matters not mortal sin ones.

And if a person suffer for being evil that is a just sentence. Those are rightly charged according to the world system.
1 Peter 2:19-21
Submission to Authorities
…19For if anyone endures the pain of unjust suffering because he is conscious of God, this is to be commended. 20How is it to your credit if you are beaten for doing wrong and you endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. 21For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in His footsteps:…

Capital punishment is not supported by Christ and no Christian should be for it. The containment of criminals is sufficient enough. God will be the one to cast the stone if need be= sentence of death. So if you are for Capital Punishment and think you are doing that in Christ that is a lie.
Capital Punishment:

the legally authorized killing of someone as punishment for a crime.

The worldly kill its own and sometimes kill the innocent.

Yes the innocent...

more than 60 million deaths since the legalized murder of those in their mother's womb

60,069,971 Abortions in America Since Roe v. Wade in 1973 | LifeNews.com

 

[GoodTidings]

If you do not lay up treasure, just move on when war breaks out. This is what the early New Covenant believers did.

No, you are not responding to what I said. You are NOW enjoying the fruit of what you say violates the teaching of Christ.

You are a hypocrite. You enjoy the fruits of what you say you are against. You contradicting your own professed values. You should not be enjoying freedom and liberty that are, by were obtained immorally by your standard. So you are basically giving tacit approval to what you claim is sin.

You are a fraud.

 

[1689Dave]

No, you are not responding to what I said. You are NOW enjoying the fruit of what you say violates the teaching of Christ.

You are a hypocrite. You enjoy the fruits of what you say you are against. You contradicting your own professed values. You should not be enjoying freedom and liberty that are, by were obtained immorally by your standard. So you are basically giving tacit approval to what you claim is sin.

You are a fraud.

Christians in Acts did exactly as I said.

 

[GoodTidings]

God is sovereign over the affairs of men. Liberty is His to give or take away. Just as Christ said : "You would have no power over me if not given from above". No it is not immoral to be in the world but not of it.

It is immoral to enjoy something that was obtained immorally. If it is immoral to defend the US in the military, then it is just as immoral to enjoy what the military has obtained for us, namely a free country. The US isn't a gift. It was obtained through war and if you enjoy the fruit of war, which includes all of the liberties we have in our constitution. Our liberties are from God, but they are defended and maintained by our government which uses the military as the tool of enforcement and protection of the laws that guarantee us those freedoms in this land.

If you are enjoying those freedoms, you are enjoying something that is here because men and women gave their lives to defend it. If you think they are immoral, then you are doubly immoral for partaking of their fruit.

 

[GoodTidings]

Christians in Acts did exactly as I said.

No, they didn't. There were Christians in the Roman military and in the household of Caesar. Try reading your Bible.

 

[Van]

How do you balance living in a violent world with the teachings of Christ? For starters, I believe God is the same God of war as always. But the role of believers is different in the New Covenant. That is, we love our enemies, turn the other cheek when attacked. We do not resist violence but abandon it to the Lord who says vengeance belongs to him.

So I do not serve in the military or become a police officer whose life depends on doing the opposite of these. If an intruder tries to kill me or my family, I would rather we die upholding Jesus’ words than disobey only to suffer death from old age. Any alternative views on this?

Utter nonsense. Folks read Hebrews chapter 11. Ask yourself what did the last 5 people mentioned do in scripture.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Tell us how you can use violence while following Jesus.

Jhn 18:10 KJV - Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.

I believe Simon Peter missed his mark. He was attempting to separate the servant;s head from his body. When he drew his sword, he had no intention of cutting off a ear.

 

[1689Dave]

Utter nonsense. Folks read Hebrews chapter 11. Ask yourself what did the last 5 people mentioned do in scripture.

OT believers followed a different plan from NT believers.

 

[1689Dave]

No, they didn't. There were Christians in the Roman military and in the household of Caesar. Try reading your Bible.

Cornelius became a pastor. We have no record of Christians using violence but plenty of history in the early New Covenant era of rejecting military service.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

So true Hank ! And lets not forget the slaughter of innocents by Herod. He was not disturbed by any of the religious practices of the time which did not challenge his authority. I argue, he believed in prophecy or he would not have been bothered by the birth of a Male Child. The Male Child is being birthed at this End of the Age in the Soul's of the Elect . The Father's name is upon their minds. Many kings today will be enraged because truth, which has not been held to, will now be held by those who love it stand for it and are not afraid to. For the longest time , concerning Christianity men's diluted doctrines have been embraced appose to pure truth!
Satan has spewed forth his venom and diluting waters to make impotent the knowledge of God . He has been attacking all the Christian assemblies and diluting the potency of Christ's teaching through self willed men.

Not anymore!

 

[GoodTidings]

Cornelius became a pastor. We have no record of Christians using violence but plenty of history in the early New Covenant era of rejecting military service.

When Paul was in prison, he was, according to himself, winning Roman soldiers to the Lord and his ministry in prison penetrated all the way into household of Nero, himself. Paul was guarded by the Pretorian guard and they were getting saved. There was no evidence that they ever left their post.

You are promoting a secular doctrine called pacifism, that is not taught one place in the Bible. You try to pencil it, but you are promoting a secular idea in trying to make it appear biblical, you are essentially a false teacher who perverts the Word of God.

 

[1689Dave]

When Paul was in prison, he was, according to himself, winning Roman soldiers to the Lord and his ministry in prison penetrated all the way into household of Nero, himself. Paul was guarded by the Pretorian guard and they were getting saved. There was no evidence that they ever left their post.

You are promoting a secular doctrine called pacifism, that is not taught one place in the Bible. You try to pencil it, but you are promoting a secular idea in trying to make it appear biblical, you are essentially a false teacher who perverts the Word of God.

Many prostitutes become Christians. But they move on like Cornelius did.

 

[GoodTidings]

Many prostitutes become Christians. But they move on like Cornelius did.

That is not even remotely the same thing and intelligent thinking people know the difference. Prostitution is actually sin. The Bible NOWHERE says that being in the military is a sin. That is a sin you are trying to manufacture. If you are opposed to being in the military, that is your business, but to come and claim that it is wrong for Christians to be in the military is not simply not supported by the Bible.

I would also point out that defending your family from a violent intruder is not deemed sinful in Scripture. Again, that is a sin you are manufacturing.

If you choose to be a pathetic, rotten man and a walking/breathing disgrace to humanity and let an intruder kill your wife and kids, that is up to you. You don't deserve a family, if that is the case, but that's up to you.

Real men who are worth something will defend their families.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

It is immoral to enjoy something that was obtained immorally. If it is immoral to defend the US in the military, then it is just as immoral to enjoy what the military has obtained for us, namely a free country. The US isn't a gift. It was obtained through war and if you enjoy the fruit of war, which includes all of the liberties we have in our constitution. Our liberties are from God, but they are defended and maintained by our government which uses the military as the tool of enforcement and protection of the laws that guarantee us those freedoms in this land.

If you are enjoying those freedoms, you are enjoying something that is here because men and women gave their lives to defend it. If you think they are immoral, then you are doubly immoral for partaking of their fruit.

I am saying there will be men who will fight in wars and there are men who will not. And it is those few who will not ,who are for gaining men for God alone. They are FIRST fruits which means they are given unto God for the sake of men and the kingdom of heaven. They are also first fruits because they will be part of the FIRST Resurrection. You do know there are those of a first resurrection and a second of which the First has dominion over don't you?
Rev.20:
4Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God,( this is one group who will be beheaded who are part of the Elect.)

and those (ANOTHER GROUP) who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands.

( The "And Those" in Rev.4 is a second group of the elect who will not taste death as the others did and see the Lord's coming and are transformed in a twinkling of an eye as Paul said.They will be snatched up after those who were beheaded and or those who died before them resurrect.).

And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

5The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete(second fruits).

This is the first resurrection (Those of verse 4). 6Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

There are certain of men who are to be holy anointed for the kingdom of heavens purpose only. And I am not saying that men may not have been called by Christ even out from military , but they do not encourage military service once they know Christ. Now, some without knowing the scriptures in POTENCY may join the Military. They may not know what is being discussed here. Christ will make away if they realize the truth after the fact.
1 Corinthians 7:20-22
Live Your Calling
…20Each one should remain in the situation he was in when he was called. 21Were you a slave when you were called? Do not let it concern you, but if you can gain your freedom, take the opportunity. 22For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord’s freedman. Conversely, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ’s slave.…

If you have joined the Armed Forces you are NOT a free man but a slave.But worry not for Christ will free your soul .

Many do what they not know is not the best choice out of good intentions. This not knowing is because they do not truly understand Christ's words. Since it is for the Elect to reveal their TRUE meaning, the opportunity is now afforded them. But I argue , if you have served your time in duty to country, stop preaching country and start preaching the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.For the countries are men's and the prince of the power of the air rules them at present and the kingdom of heaven is not of this world.

I can not concern myself with men not liking God's word. It is in Him my honor ,the kingdom and power and Glory now and forever Amen!

 

[OfLivingWaters]

When Paul was in prison, he was, according to himself, winning Roman soldiers to the Lord and his ministry in prison penetrated all the way into household of Nero, himself. Paul was guarded by the Pretorian guard and they were getting saved. There was no evidence that they ever left their post.

You are promoting a secular doctrine called pacifism, that is not taught one place in the Bible. You try to pencil it, but you are promoting a secular idea in trying to make it appear biblical, you are essentially a false teacher who perverts the Word of God.

There is NO evidence that they did not leave their post when it was afforded them to. If they stayed in Christ most definitely they would not continue in the service of country and men but rather the Kingdom of heaven for the sake of men's souls, FOR SURE!

 

[FollowTheWay]

The Bible says they're worse than an unbeliever.

In no way. You're saying that a Christian who obeys Jesus'. command to love his enemies is UNSAVED? What are you
going top call your new religion?

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Jhn 15:12 KJV - This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Jhn 15:13 KJV - Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

At the very least, I consider my family among my friends.

 

[FollowTheWay]

This is your thread. You haven't provided even one verse to suggest that Christ teaches we should stand by and let somebody kill our family.

The burden of proof is on you, troll.

[Mat 5:38-39 KJV] 38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

[Mat 5:43-44 KJV] 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

 

[MartyF]

Anyone who would not protect his family is vile.

While I won't go so far as to say this, I would like to mention that Jesus did not take his apostles with him to the cross. Jesus did not let the innocent suffer and die around him.

 

[GoodTidings]

I am saying there will be men who will fight in wars and there are men who will not. And it is those few who will not ,who are for gaining men for God alone.

That is not true. There are Chaplains in the military that are reaching soldiers for Jesus. But those Chaplains are still soldiers themselves. They are not telling anyone to leave the military.

You don't know what you're talking about. And you are still enjoying the fruit that was gained through those men who fought and died so you could remain free. You enjoy the fruit of their sacrifice while you demonize them. You are a disgrace.