"Christmas"

[Harold Garvey]

Did I ever say that? Nope. I celebrate Christmas every December 25th and then some! I love the holiday and I am taken completely at awe each year and wonder just how God can do what He did. But that still doesn't negate the fact that Christmas is not ever represented in the Bible.

Ok, so you think that somehow Christmas and Luke 2 are so opposite to each other that we cant rejoice in our feast and celebration surrounding the birth of Christ just as they did and it be the same

 

[SaggyWoman]

Why would we feast and celebrate? Jesus didn't feast and celebrate at his birth?

 

[rbell]

I honestly do not understand this thread.

Maybe it's just me. I'm still tired from Christmas. :tongue3:

Here's the gist: Harold is so angry, so mad, that he started a thread to argue. Even though it doesn't make since, he argues for the sake of arguing. He doesn't feel complete unless he manages to put everyone on the "other" side of him.

Sad, really. I was in a church like that once. No joy in anything.

 

[ccrobinson]

I asked if it should be in the Bible as part of the Scripture, then I stated it should at least be in the footnotes.

Ok, I missed it.

Please explain the point of adding a word to Scripture. If the word was supposed to be there, don't you think that God would have put it there? And what's so hard about reading Luke 2 and understanding that it's talking about the birth of Christ, thus, it's what we commonly refer to as the Christmas story?

 

[Harold Garvey]

Why would we feast and celebrate? Jesus didn't feast and celebrate at his birth?

The angellic host celebrated, Simeon did, certainly Joseph and Mary did too, why not we? Are you saying Mary tried to feed Jesus and he was on his first fast and praying?

 

[Harold Garvey]

Here's the gist: Harold is so angry, so mad, that he started a thread to argue.

Sad, really. I was in a church like that once. No joy in anything.

Your comments are like some one trying to paint a house in Denmark from a deep dark cave in Australia. Seems more you left a church all bitter and are doing the same old tired casting of stones. We left 3 churches and are to this day heatbroken over their present condition. It was all due to leadership problems in two and the one we love the most was because of distance. So before speaking so rashly you ought to compare our DIFFERENT situations. My intent was to ask why "Christmas" is as defined in Luke 2 why we dont have it somewhere within the Bible? "The Prodigal" "The Beatitudes" are there, yet no word is in the text of the underlying Greek for where they are found. TRY DEALING with the topic or is it my person you're infatuated with!

 

[Harold Garvey]

Ok, I missed it.

Please explain the point of adding a word to Scripture. If the word was supposed to be there, don't you think that God would have put it there? And what's so hard about reading Luke 2 and understanding that it's talking about the birth of Christ, thus, it's what we commonly refer to as the Christmas story?

All I will say so as to not be misunderstood is that we agree.

 

[SaggyWoman]

The angellic host celebrated, Simeon did, certainly Joseph and Mary did too, why not we? Are you saying Mary tried to feed Jesus and he was on his first fast and praying?

I don't think they laid out chocolates, fruit cakes, sausage balls and wrapped him in wrapping paper, no.

And as much as I appreciate Christmas, I am much more appreciate of what comes with Easter.

 

[ccrobinson]

All I will say so as to not be misunderstood is that we agree.

That's good, but it leaves me confused about why we're having this discussion. Oh well, I don't claim to understand everything. Carry on. :wavey:

 

[Harold Garvey]

I don't think they laid out chocolates, fruit cakes, sausage balls and wrapped him in wrapping paper, no.

And as much as I appreciate Christmas, I am much more appreciate of what comes with Easter.

No Christmas, no Easter. I appreciate your civilty. I would think if at all possible, Jews imparticularly, would have roast lamb and bitter herbs at this event if it were possible, but definitely not sausage balls.

 

[SaggyWoman]

No Christmas, no Easter. I appreciate your civilty. I would think if at all possible, Jews imparticularly, would have roast lamb and bitter herbs at this event if it were possible, but definitely not sausage balls.

Well, the Jews weren't celebrating Easter either. They were celebrating Passover.

 

[Harold Garvey]

Well, the Jews weren't celebrating Easter either. They were celebrating Passover.

Yet converted Jews do celebrate Easter and Christmas inthe Biblical sense

 

[SaggyWoman]

Not every Jew is converted.

Besides, Easter and Christmas are pagan.

 

[annsni]

Ok, so you think that somehow Christmas and Luke 2 are so opposite to each other that we cant rejoice in our feast and celebration surrounding the birth of Christ just as they did and it be the same

Did I say they were opposite? No. They are different. One is the actual event that happened and the other, by definition is the remembrance and celebration of that actual event. Why don't we call our wedding day our anniversary? Because it's not. It's our wedding day. The following year, we call the same day our anniversary which is a celebration of the event the year before. Two different events thus two different names.

 

[DHK]

I have to ask this: are the Beatitudes in the Bible? What about the Prodigal Son? The Ten Commandments?

I rarely use the word "Beatitudes," and can do without it.
I don't have to use the title "Prodigal Son" either. It is not important to me.
However, you should study your Bible better:

Deuteronomy 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Deuteronomy 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

"Christmas" describes how Christians should be celebrating as they did in Luke 2, not celebrating anyway they want and call it Christmas. Neither should Christmas be defined as something inherently pagan because not everyone celebrates Christmas the way the pagans do.

That is only your opinion. It goes against Scripture. It is also contrary to History. It is simply opinion and that is all. Some people refer to this season as Noel. Are they wrong as well. There is no "Christ" in Noel. But then you would show your prejudice against all the French people, even though you probably sing "The first NOEL, the angels did sing..."

Show me where "The Beatitudes" appears in Scripture then tell me none of them belong there.

Why? Of what importance is it? What if I don't even use the word? It isn't important to me.

Chapter and verse please

For what, and why?

While your at it, can you please give me the underlying Greek word.
I want to look it up in my Greek New Testament

You are the one that wants to make additions to the Bible. Amazing!!

 

[Harold Garvey]

Not every Jew is converted.

Besides, Easter and Christmas are pagan.

Unconverted Jews neither celebrate the birth nor the Resurrection of Christ, and neither do we celebrate either as anything pagan. So there you would be wrong to give paganism credence over something so decidedly Christian.

 

[annsni]

So Harold. Should I call June 15, 1985 my "anniversary" instead of my wedding day? Should I show pictures of my "anniversary" with me in my wedding gown and my husband in his tux? Why not call it "anniversary"??

 

[Harold Garvey]

Did I say they were opposite? No. They are different. One is the actual event that happened and the other, by definition is the remembrance and celebration of that actual event. Why don't we call our wedding day our anniversary? Because it's not. It's our wedding day. The following year, we call the same day our anniversary which is a celebration of the event the year before. Two different events thus two different names.

Not exactly, both are surrounded by the initial event having at least some of the same occurances annually, or at least a happy joyous marriage should

 

[annsni]

Not exactly, both are surrounded by the initial event having at least some of the same occurances annually, or at least a happy joyous marriage should

So instead of calling my wedding day my wedding day, I'll just call it my anniversary.

But anniversary of what?

Oh yeah, my anniversary.

Make sense? Nope.

 

[Harold Garvey]

DHK, you just made my point. Everything doesn't revolve around your view. The Bible references would include all the words in Ex 20 containing the ten commands God gave, yet The Ten Commandments as a single content are only the scope and not the entirety. This would mean there would be a "taking away" from scripture. People should KNOW what Christmas, Easter, The Prodigal Son, The Ten Commandments, The Beatitudes, The Mosaic Law, The Parables of Christ, etc. are distinctively Christian. INSTEAD, YOUR LEGALISTIC VIEW ALLOWS PAGANISM AND AGNOSTICISM A DOMINION GOD NEVER ALLOWS.