COMMON GROUND COFFEE HOUSE #82

[menageriekeeper]

Good Morning all!

I went to bed early last night as well. T is somewhat better this morning! I guess something I bought was the right combination. Now to figure out which it was. While everything I bought had sudafed in it they all had different antihistimines. It's the antihistimine that does the work. I'm going to go back to the store today and see if I can find just the antihistamines by themselves. T shouldn't take much sudafed because it isn't good for his blood pressure. The drug companies need to rethink their formulations and put more things out there without sudafed. T does much better with the right antihistamine and guifensin(which loosens up the congestion) and that way it doesn't bother his blood pressure as much.

I'm not feeling well this morning. The headache is better, but I hurt in my bones. I'm getting very tired of being in pain all the time. Guess it's about time I took myself back to the doctor.

 

[AVL1984]

Morning all:

I didn't get much sleep last night and Vivian had to work this morning. I tried to go back to sleep after she left, but never could get comfortable. I finally got out of bed after she called at break and took a shower and went to Sunday School and had to come home. Far too much pain to sit through church. I'm going to try and go tonight if I'm able. Don't know if we'll make it or not. Viv's got another possible 16 days straight at work. That's just not right. But, it IS end of quarter and they have orders that need to be filled, and it IS where the Lord wants her for now.

Sue...so many visitors...glad to hear your house is abuzz!

MK, I'm praying for ya'll. I know how those summer time illnesses are and can empathize with you and yours. The silly drug laws are in effect here, too...not that they stop anything. TN has admitted that there are more meth labs than ever here even since the law took effect.

God bless ya'll and MAKE IT A GREAT DAY!

T

 

[dianetavegia]

Afternoon All, Well our family made it (early) to first service and Eddie Middleton sang and preached. Very good sermon and songs.

We had 16 children in Sunday School. We had 3 visitor children and one didn't speak a word of English. She got upset and her mother took her with her to the hispanic service. Another hispanic boy named George kept calling out 'I've got to give a testimony' and he'd stand and share something good the Lord had done this past week. Cute as can be!

Cindi, the doctor's now are giving that guifasin (sp) in a prescription strength. It made Jim VERY nervous (and also my friend Jennie), it made me feel 'loopy' in the head and it made Jon's heart have irregular beats for 2 days after he stopped taking it! I got it under the name 'Crantex'. We won't take it again! It DOES work tho. I had a bad sinus infection and it cleared my head completely within 24 hours. They gave it to Jim when he had double pneumonia.

Well, I've got some things that need doing so have a nice afternoon.

Diane

 

[menageriekeeper]

Diane, Crantex isn't pure guifenisen! It also contains phenelphrine which is another decongestant. It was probably the phenelphrine that gave ya'll problems.

Guifenisen is the active ingredient in Robitussin cough syrup(the plain one). T gets it sometimes as a plain generic tablet without any other ingredients as a prescription med. It's cheaper though just to buy it over the counter. They give it to him specifically because it doesn't bother either his sugar or his blood pressure.

Tony, I'm of two minds about restricting sudafed. If I though it would accomplish something I wouldn't mind. But criminals will find a way around these restrictions or they'll invent some different drug that uses another medicine.

 

[dianetavegia]

Phenelphrine... isn't that the new ingredient in Sudaphed PE? That stuff makes me feel weird too! No wonder!

Sudaphed opens my head right up, tho. Keeps the fluid out of my ears.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Menageriekeeper: "Tony, I'm of two minds about restricting sudafed. If I though it would accomplish something I wouldn't mind."

It cuts out about 80% of the meth labs.
In Oklahoma each tax payer has to pay about $1 for
each meth lab busted. Before the law in Oklahoma,
2500 Meth labs were busted in a year;
now it is only 500 per year. I think i know what
to do with my own personal $2000 savings

Dianetavegia: "Sudaphed opens my head right up, tho. Keeps the fluid out of my ears."

Me to. I asked my general doctor if taking it was alright.
He said i could take the recommended maxium dosage for
the rest of my life with no bad side effects. Needless to
say i've check this out for several years now

By contrast the meth Lords cost you the tax payer about
$2,000 a year: restoring neighbors houses blown away
when the meth labs explode; detoxifying areas used for
illegal storage of meth byproducts; jailing meth makers
for ever; trying the meth makers (BTW, registering
Sudaphed sales makes it easer to convict meth makers);
taking care of meth kids (which is the responsibility of
the state, once they stick the adult in jail;
taking medical care of meth-heads in jail, meth-babies
for life (if they live, they require full medical care
by the state ALL THEIR LIVES. The meth lords are twin
brothers to the terrorists. They must be stopped or they
will bankrupt the country. Signing up
when we buy some Sudaphed is the least we can do.

 

[AVL1984]

Ed, I can see to a point where making such a fuss over one ingredient in a common cold medicine is POSSIBLY necessary. It's too bad the FEDERAL GOV'T doesn't see the same necessity in making sure that the tanks of fertilizer components that are used in the making of meth are accounted for by the farmers who buy them and leave them in their fields to be tapped into by these "cookers" of the drug. I've got a 1/2 brother hooked on the stuff living on the beaches and streets of Charleston, SC. But, such is life here in our wonderful country. Personally we don't buy sudafed. We get prescripts for sinus meds that don't contain any pseudoephedrine...period. Allegra and Flonase seem to do the trick for us.

Boy, I could use a Diet Coke or Diet Dr. Pepper right now. Where did we put them???

 

[Ed Edwards]

I guess there is a difference beween a few
cases and a epidemic. Oklahoma, Missouri
and most nearby states are having a Meth
epidemic - a plague of Meth. These meth
terrorists are going to bankrup the country.

BTW, it costs about 1/2 of 1% of the price of
watching all ferterlizer to register the
sales of Sudafed.

 

[dianetavegia]

We don't have to sign for Sudaphed and other meds with Sudaphed aren't behind the counter. We can only buy 3 boxes at a time but Nick could buy 3, Jim 3, me 3, Jon 3 and then go back in the store and do it all over again.

Our county has financed a lot of things with the drug funds seized. I-20 runs thru the edge here and there are big drug busts all the time from people 'passing through'. I really wonder how bad the drug problem is. I bet it's much worse than we could imagine!

 

[AVL1984]

We have to sign here, Diane, and we're limited to the number we could buy in a day, week, month. TN ranks #1 or #2 in the country I believe it was in Meth. I know that Unionville, just three miles from here is one of the fastest growing areas for meth production in the state, along with Cannon County, TN which is just a few miles away from here. There are so many little valley's here that people can make the stuff virtually undetected. Some were making it in an old abandoned well not too far from here and it finally blew up. We thought it was an earthquake the explosion was so powerful.

Ed, the theft of the fertilizer used to make the meth is becoming more and more brazen here with people literally pulling up in semi's or tractors and pulling the tanks out to semis and pulling them on and then hauling them out. The TN State Patrol and the ATF/TBI have taped footage of this happening. They also have footage of people making several trips in one night to the same farms or several farms and getting the fertilizer. Here it's just too easy because of the foothills. It's not wide open spaces like in the plains states.

Here they took over 1.8 million dollars from the back of an SUV along with several automatic weapons, grenades, and several of the components necessary for the "cooking" process along with the cooker itself. In Augusta not too far from where my mother in laws funeral was being held, they were arresting a man who had just murdered his partner in a meth lab. It was no further than three blocks from the lab and the neighbors had called in shots fired. We got to see the police on their way during the funeral.

 

[dianetavegia]

Yesterday's big news here was the county got its first liquor store.

Would you believe it rained AGAIN? Every day now. The sun's back out and it's to be 90's all week. I'm so glad Jim got our C/A fixed! We'll probably still open up at night tho. None of us really like air conditioning.

 

[blackbird]

Its rained here everyday for the past week----about an hour each day----big "Gully Washers!!!"

 

[Thankful]

All one has to do is go to our church and hand out food to the needy and see how many meth users we have in this town. Hopefully, with the crack down on meth labs, there will be fewer of these people.

Waiting for more rain, here. We need it. Maybe Emily will send us some, but weatherman said not to count on it.

 

[menageriekeeper]

Ed, Diane's situation is the same as here. It would be extremely easy to buy the limit at one store and go on to the next. Even if I didn't send Bitsy in to buy, I could still end up with 12 boxes/bottles of sudafed. And it doesn't matter what size box it is so long as you only buy 3 of them. Add to that, that within just a few minutes of me are Walmart, K-mart, Dollar Tree, 4 grocery stores, about that many Dollar Generals, and about 15 pharmacies. 12 times 26 makes for a lot of sudafed!

If all states would go to the kind of limits that Oklahoma has, it might make a difference. Then again, it would probably just raise the number breakins at store that carry it.

What might make a difference, at least here in Alabama, is to only sell it through a state store somewhat like the ABC stores (the same way hard liquor is sold). Then perhaps the state could actually keep tabs on what is going where.

I hate having to give up my freedoms because of people who misuse theirs.

It hasn't rained here today, yet. There seems to be pockets of rain all around us though.

 

[dianetavegia]

Agree Cindi. Sudaphed is the only thing that keeps me from getting those nasty ear infections several times a year. Since I'm not a medicine taker, most prescription meds and a lot of over the counter things make me feel so weird! I wouldn't care if I had to get it through the pharmacy or how many times I had to sign... just let me have what works!

 

[I Am Blessed 24]

I'm not sure what the laws are in Illinois concerning Sudafed. Hubby uses it about 2 times during the winter when he gets a cold, but we haven't purchased any for a long time.

I haven't been able to use that or any other OTC drug, for many years, because of the antihistamines that I'm allergic to.

We live in a small town and, last year, a brother (19) killed his younger brother (18), by slitting his throat, in an argument over a meth lab.

They were making the meth next to a path through the State Park where a lot of people do their daily walking. He was found the next morning by one of the 'walkers' and the meth lab was still there.

I guess they panicked and ran after killing him and left their 'stuff' behind. There were about four young people involved and all were caught right away.

We have a BIG problem with meth labs since we are a farming community. I DO know the farmers have to pay a large fine if their 'tanks' are not securely locked and protected.

It has been a scorcher here today. We could surely use some more rain. Brent rode the bus to church this morning. Dale and I stayed home. He is not ready to go out yet and I don't feel right leaving him at home alone where anything could happen. He goes to the lab for blood work tomorrow morning and back to see the surgeon Thursday.

I might venture out this evening to buy some ice cream. Dale and Brent are both hungry for it. Brent is a good nurse to Dale when I have to run to the store...

 

[AVL1984]

Morning all:

Things here are warm this morning. Vivian and I walked out the front door this morning and were greeted by some very warm, humid air. It's nearly 75 here. YUK! Also were greeted by a tree frog just above the front door and the smell of a skunk! Another "YUK"!!

Vivian's had a very nervous and upset stomach for the past few days. Her uncle, though he's not contacted us directly, is still harrassing her via her aunt through her sisters. Vivian's going to talk to the attorney's today at lunch to see if we can't get some of this nonsense stopped. Also, the people at the funeral home (the owners and the ones who do the actual paperwork for the insurance companies) come back from vacation today and will read my sister in laws complaint and request for assistance to have their Uncle removed as executor of the will, which might help throw it into probate. Vivian and I would gladly pay the $1,500 probate costs just to have her uncle removed and put in his place once and for all ending all this squabbling and rabble rousing in the family over a piddly amount of money. There is no "estate" to speak of anyhow. There is barely enough for the funeral and Vivian and I will be paying for the grave marker. But, the other two sisters don't need to be constantly dragged into this and harrassed either. One is on nerve medication as of last week and is near entering counselling for a nervous breakdown from all the pressure and the other is about ready to go over to Ohio from Pennsylvania and have a verbal showdown with her uncle once and for all. It's got to end. Please keep this in prayer. It's preying on everyones nerves and they just don't need this right now. They haven't even had time to think about their mother's passing.

Sorry for the whine. I've had a lot of pressure from all of this too. If it affect my wife, it affects me.

Dell's end of quarter is looking good. Viv said they may have to work all three days of the weekend again and then all the way until the 29th. She got her four tickets to Kentucky Kingdom for July 30th. It's Dell Day there that day and we plan on going. It will be a small vacation for us and we might try to find two people to go with us, though we don't know many people these days. Many have moved from the area after Warners closed. My birth father and his wife live right across the river near Corydon, Indiana (about 25 miles away), but I don't feel comfortable around them at all, nor do they feel comfortable around us. I've got other 1/2 siblings in the area, but I haven't seen or had contact with them for years, and Vivian doesn't want me to contact them because of past family history. I can fully understand that.
I still may ask my birth father despite our conflicts. He is in poor health and it might be a good chance to patch up our differences and spend a day together on neutral ground and close to his home so it wouldn't be too hard on him physically, considering his mini-strokes and heart attack history.

Well, ya'll have a wonderful day, and sorry for the "thinking in type". Don't know what's going on with me these days. Too much on my mind, what little mind I have left! LOL

 

[I Am Blessed 24]

Good morning Tony and all;

T, you sound overwhelmed. I know the feeling. I felt that way when Dale was in the hospital and all these decisions had to be made...

It is 76º this morning, heading for the 90s. It will be that way most of the week. We have the A/C on and stepping outside this morning felt like stepping into a Sauna!

I have a young man who is supposed to start on the fence at 7:00 this morning and work until it gets too hot. I don't want anyone having a heat stroke!

Dale has to visit the lab this morning for a "Pro Time" test (blood work). He can't eat until afterwards.

Going to have a cup of decaf and have my quiet time while everyone else is still asleep.

§ue

 

[dianetavegia]

A late good morning to everyone. I was up every 2 hours during the night and am just exhausted.

A woman was giving away Black Lab / Boxer puppies yesterday and Nick has been begging for a dog for years. The mother dog was unable to nurse them so they'd been hand raised on Goat's milk and is only 5 weeks old. Well.... he's VERY good with potty issues. He'll whine when he needs to be taken out BUT he howled when we put him in a box for the night even after I put it right by my bed. We finally used a baby gate and put him in our master bathroom. Every two hours, he wanted milk and a potty break. Only one accident and that's close to morning when I just couldn't hop right up. Nick named him 'Scooter' and he's so cute. Patches just hisses if he tries to lick her but otherwise just sits and watches him.

Now all the children are here and they've just found a frog which they wanted to live in my house. I got a box, some lizard stickers and sent them out to make a frog habit with rocks, sand, water, grass and they took packaging peanuts for his sofa and pillows.

Meanwhile, I cannot hardly walk for the Brio trainset, the matchbox cars and rugs.

It's going to be in the 90's° all week so I'm encouraging some outside time before it gets too hot and then our movie time or computer time in the afternoon. Nick has offered to put in a movie with Kelsey while the other 3 sleep so I can nap on the sofa. We'll see how it works out!

Well time to switch from the washer to dryer. I've begun doing my towels and sheets on the weekend so Mondays with all the children isn't so rushed. This week I have the 3 children Mon., Tues., Fri., and Ty is Mon. - Thurs. as usual. No extra children (so far).

We're going to do some 'dry runs' on schooling for the next two weeks so Kelsey can get an idea of how we do our school day. She's so excited!

Diane

 

[menageriekeeper]

Good morning all!

Seems Diane and I didn't get up as early as everyone else. Or maybe we've just been working harder....whatcha think Diane?

I've already done several loads of laundry cleaned and vaccuumed the living room dining rooma and foyer. Now I'm about to get dressed and start sewing. I have six uniforms to embroider and apply patches too and I still don't have that baby outfit finished.

So, on with the day!