confused about Calvin (Page 21) Round two

[johnp.]

Hello standingfirm.

Colossians 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

I was not angry. I have no wrath. I said it with no malice. It does not take the Name of the Lord in vain and it is not filthy. I apologise for offending your sensitivities.

john.

 

[webdog]

johnp, you left off filthy communication. from your "I didn't do it" list. Instead of making excuses, 'fess up!

 

[johnp.]

no i didn't? It does not take the Name of the Lord in vain and it is not filthy. I apologise for offending your sensitivities as well.

At least we are off Calvin. HaHa!

john.

 

[webdog]

Then what is the need to sensor yourself with ****? Why not post what you would have said instead of **** (I'm guessing it probably would have been filthy, as **** is what is typed in the place of filthy words).

 

[rsr]

The phrase has been removed and will be referred to no more.

In addition, the thread is getting out of hand. Settle down, take a deep breath and chill before posting. Personal attacks are not allowed and will cause the thread to be shut down pronto.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Thank you, rsr

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by Scott J:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Ro 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation;

even so by

the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

The "Free Gift" came upon "ALL MEN",...IF...they'll accept it.

But what motivates some to accept it while others remain non-receptive?

Are those who receive better? Smarter? Wiser?

Why do those who believe do so?

This is the inescapable problem of all of your arguments... you ultimately either have to abandon your system or acknowledge that it bases salvation on some amount of individual merit. </font>[/QUOTE]The "Free Gift" came upon "ALL MEN",...IF...they'll accept it.

Is your reading comprehesion really "that bad"??

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by Calvibaptist:
[QB]

Originally posted by Me4Him:
As I said, Calvin has it "Backwards".

And you have ignored every verse of Scripture that I have put in my posts and keep coming back with the same tired argument that "God said 'whosoever will' so that must mean that everyone who has ever lived, including Judas and Pharaoh and Pilate and Herod and Caiaphas, had the natural ability to choose correctly."

No one said they had the "Natural ability", however we did say God "offered" them the same opportunity to be saved as everyone else, but they rejected it.

You attempt to make "EXCEPTIONS" to God's plan of salvation, but there are "NONE", "NO MAN" comes to the father except by Jesus, and NO MAN means, "NO MAN", Pharaoh, Pilate, Herod or Caiaphas.

God's plan was sufficent to saved the whole world, as the scripture say, that eliminates "ANY" being "predestine" to hell, because God wasn't willing for "ANY" to perish.

I don't think you've seen the "ABSOLUTENESS" of God in scripture or his plan.

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by johnp.:


Hello Me4Him.

Jesus offer to take Israel under his wings, they would not, was Jesus going against the "will of the Father" or possibily lying, if it was "predestine" for them to reject Jesus, and how can the Jews be blamed for the "Sin" of rejection if they "had no choice"??

I called your bluff on this (Matt 23:37; LK 13:34.) before and you failed to respond. I don't think you are onto a winner though.
john.

I don't know if you're old enough to remember the old "LP records", but if they had a "scratch" in the grooves, the needle would keep jumping back into the previously played groove make the same groove play "over and over and over and over", it never would "move on" to the next groove to finish playing the record.

You and Scott kinda remind me of those "old records", you're "hung up" in a groove and keep repeating the same thing, over and over and over, without taking it to the next groove/level.

BTW, one method of making them "move on" was to "Slap" the side of the machine with your hand.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

me4Him,

I remember the LP's ...

45's, 33 1/3's, and 78's.

I even had a grammaphone.

Many today would say, 'Grammaphone? What's that?'

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by standingfirminChrist:
me4Him,

I remember the LP's ...

45's, 33 1/3's, and 78's.

I even had a grammaphone.

Many today would say, 'Grammaphone? What's that?'

If ya never had to "wind up a spring" to get the "record player" to play, you aint lived.

 

[johnp.]

Hello Me4Him.

LK 13:34 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 35 Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "


I asked you for an interpretation of 'O Jerusalem, Jerusalem'.

john.

 

[Timtoolman]

Originally posted by Calvibaptist:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by standingfirminChrist:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Adam and Eve after the fall, and hiding ,heard and obeyed, and understood God. Now that sounds like responding to me. Two dead people responding to the word of God.....go figure.

a big AMEN! to that timtoolman </font>[/QUOTE]Gee, they must have been regenerated before they responded. </font>[/QUOTE]lol, well gee that must be why they hid, and then made excuses for why they disobeyed blaming her and then the snake. Very repentive. Can calvies get even one thing right?! Answer, no it has to be twisted in all ways to fit the teachings of John Calvin.
It seems to be more a theology of Forrest Gump the more I talk too the ones on here!

 

[Timtoolman]

Originally posted by Me4Him:

I don't know if you're old enough to remember the old "LP records", but if they had a "scratch" in the grooves, the needle would keep jumping back into the previously played groove make the same groove play "over and over and over and over", it never would "move on" to the next groove to finish playing the record.

You and Scott kinda remind me of those "old records", you're "hung up" in a groove and keep repeating the same thing, over and over and over, without taking it to the next groove/level.

BTW, one method of making them "move on" was to "Slap" the side of the machine with your hand. [/QB][/QUOTE]

 

[Timtoolman]

Originally posted by Me4Him:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Calvibaptist:
[QB]

Originally posted by Me4Him:
As I said, Calvin has it "Backwards".

And you have ignored every verse of Scripture that I have put in my posts and keep coming back with the same tired argument that "God said 'whosoever will' so that must mean that everyone who has ever lived, including Judas and Pharaoh and Pilate and Herod and Caiaphas, had the natural ability to choose correctly."

No one said they had the "Natural ability", however we did say God "offered" them the same opportunity to be saved as everyone else, but they rejected it.

You attempt to make "EXCEPTIONS" to God's plan of salvation, but there are "NONE", "NO MAN" comes to the father except by Jesus, and NO MAN means, "NO MAN", Pharaoh, Pilate, Herod or Caiaphas.

God's plan was sufficent to saved the whole world, as the scripture say, that eliminates "ANY" being "predestine" to hell, because God wasn't willing for "ANY" to perish.

I don't think you've seen the "ABSOLUTENESS" of God in scripture or his plan. </font>

Very well put! However you may want to save those pearls on these two.

 

[johnp.]

Hello Me4Him & Timtoolman.

BTW, one method of making them "move on" was to "Slap" the side of the machine with your hand.

You are advocating violence? That didn't work when the Jesuits used to do it to us, I don't see it working for you either.

john.

 

[Calvibaptist]

Originally posted by Scott J:
The danger in using the word "able" is that anti-calvinists get really hung up on the thought that God somehow made unbelievers undeservedly defective in a way that makes him responsible for their disbelief.

I appreciate the concern, and I figure you are on my side. But the only reason I use the word "able" is because Jesus and Paul did. I really don't care if anti-Calvinists get hung up on the words of Scripture. I don't want to water down the word of God just to appease a humanistic point of view.

 

[Calvibaptist]

Originally posted by Me4Him:
Calvibaptist
I am looking for a verse that says that ordinary human beings are able to do any of that without God's special enabling.

There was "NO PURPOSE" in dying for the sins of the whole world, UNLESS it was possible for the whole world to be saved,

I ask for a verse and you give me human reasoning!!! I want a verse or I don't believe it. I have given you a multitude of verses for what I believe and you keep humanistic reasoning at mee. Then you start throwing verses at me that give commands and pleas, but no verses that indicate ability to obey or ability to respond. I repeat: A command or a plea does not necessitate the ability to obey or respond appropriately. As Padme Amidala said in Star Wars Episode 1, "You assume too much."

 

[Calvibaptist]

Originally posted by standingfirminChrist:
me4Him,

I remember the LP's ...

45's, 33 1/3's, and 78's.

I even had a grammaphone.

Many today would say, 'Grammaphone? What's that?'

Isn't that something your Gramma had?

I've actually got an old grammaphone. It's pretty cool.

 

[Calvibaptist]

Oh, yeah. And Just to keep the thread going, I must have been predestined to have it!