Confused, did the early christians accept the non-canonized books?

[Eliyahu]

Yes.

Yes means the God in the sentence of " Mary is the Mother of God" and the God in the sentence of " God the Father is God" are the same, one person God, right ?
Then you are claiming Mary is Mother of God the Father!
If you deny it, you are denying what you are saying!
If you deny it, you are denying Trinity!
If you deny it, you are claiming that God the Father is not God.

3 is the simplication of "Mary is the Mother of GOD THE SON"

You are saying what RC don't say.
I have never heard RC saying Mary is Mother of God the Son.
They all the time said Mary is Mother of God.
Remember again, when people simply say God, it means God the Father.

That is the Mystery of the Trinity!

Now when you encounter the impasse, you just excuse it as a mystery.

MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS ( Rev 17:5)

God the Father
is different from
God the Son
is different from
God the Holy Spirit

Three distinct persons make up the Godhead.

You sound like explaining Trinity as A Monster with three heads because
you lack the other truth that the three Godheads share all things together and exist in the other Godheads commonly, which means Tri-Unity, and therefore Jesus said Father is in Him and He is in Father,

Here are some verses that show the dinstinction:
Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Yes, the Role is different, but it doesn't mean that Son of God has Mother, and that God the Father has a Wife.

Normally If a Son has a Mother and a Father, then it means that the Father and Mother are the marital spouse, right ? So, RC insist on Theotokos to imply that Mary is the Wife of God, or Queen of Heaven, right ? Read Jeremiah 44 thru.

How do you call the Relationship between Mary and God the Father?
Your Answer is very important because normally God means God the Father when people simply call Him God.
If you call Mary as Maid-Servant of God the Father, then it means that Mary is the Woman servant of God because God the Father is simplified as God normally.
Answer me, How do you define the relationship between Mary and God the Father?

Theotokos has a big problem with Trinity !

You can blaspheme Jesus and be forgiven, but if you blaspheme against the Holy Ghost you can not be forgiven.

Do you know why ? Tell me why, then I will let you know my interpretation.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Distinction, Distinction, Distincition instead of saying this:

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the GOD.

TRHEE DISTINCT PERSONS WITHIN THE GODHEAD.

Do you notice " the name " is singular ?
The Name in singular is shared by three persons.
This is why Peter mentioned people should be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ ( Acts 2:38) Was Peter wrong ? One name is shared by Tri-Unity and this is Trnity.

You are trying to split the God into 3 pieces, describing God as a Monster with 3 heads.

And yes Godhead is in the bible:

Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Yes, Godhead is mentioned in the Bible, but you should remember that
Godhead was not granted by Mary and therefore Mary has no right to claim the Mother of Godhead of Jesus Christ.
Jesus was God the Son before Mary was born!
Mary could not exist without God the Son.
Jesus Christ who is the God the Son planned and created all things including Mary.
Mary was Hell-bound sinner and Jesus came down to save her.
Abraham anticipated to see His days and saw it ( Jn 8:56) Jews asked " did you see Abraham? " Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham, I am"

Finally would you answer me, what is the relationship between Mary and God the Father ?

 

[Inquiring Mind]

Mary is a daughter of God the Father.

Mary is in indirectly the spouse of the God the Holy Spirit.

Mary is mother of God the Son.


Any more questions?

 

[Inquiring Mind]

Your knowledge of the teaching of Mystery in the Bible have be weighed and measured and has been found to be wanton.

Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Eph 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Eph 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Col 2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

Col 4:3 Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:

1Ti 3:9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

balls in your court.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

You are saying what RC don't say.
I have never heard RC saying Mary is Mother of God the Son

When they say Mother of God, it is an implied Mother of God the Son

 

[Eliyahu]

Mary is a daughter of God the Father.

God the Father is God. But you say Mary is Mother of God. Then do you mean " Daughter of God is Mother of God" ?

Mary is in indirectly the spouse of the God the Holy Spirit.

This means that you believe Mary is the wife of God the Holy Spirit, right?
So, are you saying that Mary had a sexual relationship with Holy Spirit?

Mary is mother of God the Son.
Any more questions?

Was Mary Mother of God the Son before He was born ?
Where was Mary when God the Son created the whole universe and all the mankind ?
Where was Mary when God the Son created her mother and father ? Was she Mother of God the Son when He created her father and mother ?

 

[Eliyahu]

When they say Mother of God, it is an implied Mother of God the Son

Partly, yes. But they use the term in order to give the impression that she is mother of God the Father. I never heard Catholic saying Mother of God the Son. If so, Theotokos should be changed to "Theohuiostokos"
When people say God without mentioning Godhead, it means God the Father. This is why nobody in the Bible called Mary as Mother of God.

Ask Pope to declare to the Muslims that
Mary is mother of Allah ! as they believe Allah is God, and you believe Mary is Mother of God.

 

[Eliyahu]

Theotokos has a big, big problem with Trinity.
Theotokos denies God the Father is God.
God the Father is God who has no mother.
Theotokos is an Insult to God, which God hates.

 

[Eliyahu]

The word " Mystery " should not be used to abuse and deface the Only True God who has no mother, no father, no beginning, no end.

 

[Eliyahu]

If you believe Mary is the daughter of God, then you should call her Daughter of God, not mother of God. period.

 

[Eliyahu]

Galatians 1:19 says " James, Lord's brother"

Is James a Brother of God as the Lord means God and Jesus is God ?
If you deny calling James as Brother of God, you are denying that Jesus is God, right ?


Joseph was the stepfather of God, King David was the great grand father of God.
Adam was the ancestor of Mary Mother of God, then Adam is the ancestor of God, right ?

God created His own Ancestor !

Elizabeth the mother of John the Baptist was the relative of Mary, then Elizabeth is the relative of God.

The above is Roman Catholic Comedy.

2 Corinthians 5:16

Mary wife of Clopas is told to be sister of Mary, then she is Aunt of God ( John 19:25)

But the Bible says
Our mother is Sarah ( Gal 4:26, 1 Pet 3:6)

Therefore, henceforth know we no man according to the flesh; yea, though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now henceforth we know Him so no more.

 

[Eliyahu]

The reason why James the brother of Jesus is not exalted is because he cannot be worshipped as goddess, and therefore we never hear Roman Catholic exalting him as Brother of God.

Oh, Roman Catholic may have to search for the Alumni of God from the same school of gods.

 

[Chemnitz]

 

[Inquiring Mind]

Ditto, Ditto, Ditto

 

[Inquiring Mind]

Partly, yes. But they use the term in order to give the impression that she is mother of God the Father. I never heard Catholic saying Mother of God the Son.

And I never heard any RCC or EOC say that she is Mother of God the Father either. It is your stubborness that maintains that "Mother of God" means "Mother of God the Father"

If so, Theotokos should be changed to "Theohuiostokos"
When people say God without mentioning Godhead, it means God the Father. This is why nobody in the Bible called Mary as Mother of God.

Yes they did. You're just too stubborn to recognize it. I have pointed it out before and I will point it out again.

Luk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? lord with a Captial L always means God.

Luk 1:43 And2532 whence4159 is this5124 to me,3427 that2443 the3588 mother3384 of my3450 Lord2962 should come2064 to4314 me?3165

G2962 κύριος kurios koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.

Primary definition is GOD. Captial L implies primary definition.

Ask Pope to declare to the Muslims that
Mary is mother of Allah ! as they believe Allah is God, and you believe Mary is Mother of God.

That's grasping at straws now. You good as well know that they don't consider Jesus as God. They believe he was just merely a Prophet.

Your ignorant ranting is getting old.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

If you believe Mary is the daughter of God, then you should call her Daughter of God, not mother of God. period.

She is not a daughter of God?

I am a son of God, aren't you as well?

 

[Inquiring Mind]

This means that you believe Mary is the wife of God the Holy Spirit, right?

No.

So, are you saying that Mary had a sexual relationship with Holy Spirit?

No. The Scriptures are silent about the exact mechinism used.


Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Why send the Holy Spirit when God could just snap his fingers and she becomes instantly pregnant.

Let's look at the this phrase:

for that which is conceived in her is of MAN.

What would be your conclusion? Sexual Relations?

now take the same phrase and change it:

for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost

What would be your conclusion? If you used the same logic as you did for the first phrase then, Sexual Relations would be your answer as well. But it would be a bit unsettling and disturbing to think about it in that same context.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

Theotokos has a big, big problem with Trinity.

Really? How?

Theotokos denies God the Father is God.

How?

God the Father is God who has no mother.

No Argument there.
God the Son is God whom does have a mother.
God the Son was nourished in the womb by a human female.
God the Son suckled on the breast of a human female.

Theotokos is an Insult to God, which God hates.

How? Mary carried a God in her womb. How would God hate that, since it was God whom placed himself there?

 

[DHK]

And I never heard any RCC or EOC say that she is Mother of God the Father either. It is your stubborness that maintains that "Mother of God" means "Mother of God the Father"

The exact phrase "holy Mary Mother of God, and of Jesus Christ His Son" is used often in the Catholic Church.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

From Ligonier Ministries: Mary Audio series

These lectures were designed to unravel false teaching about Mary's role in the New Testament and in the life of the church. R.C. examines the Catholic rosary controversy, showing that while Protestants can affirm that Mary was "the mother of God," the remainder of the prayer should be rejected as un-Biblical.

R.C. teaches that although we must reject false teaching about Mary, we should not minimize her. He teaches that by studying Mary's life, Christians can discover an important example of godliness and submission to our magnificent God and Savior.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

The exact phrase "holy Mary Mother of God, and of Jesus Christ His Son" is used often in the Catholic Church.

when and where? Never heard it all when I have visited them. It's not part of the Sunday/Daily Mass. So where are you dredging this up.

I have taken a misselette home. It contains all the wording that is used in the Mass. I don't find it.