David Wilkerson: An Urgent Message

[annsni]

It's interesting. Some people on this thread have said Wilkerson wasn't specific enough. John Piper says he's too specific. Good article though.

"Soon" is not very specific.

"New York City, New Jersey and Connecticut" is pretty specific. What is going to happen (fires and looting) is pretty specific.

MY take on it all? I think we are to be prepared for some rough times - but be prudent with that preparation. I'm not looking to find a homestead in the hills where we can raise our own meat and be completely off grid - storing up supplies for over a year.

But then again, I'm trying to not just have a few day's groceries on hand. We have supplimental heat, batteries, food stores (not as much as it should be but I'm trying to work through some old stuff then restore our "stores") for a few weeks and such. We have a sailboat that we can be pretty self-sufficient on for a time and other than that, it's in God's hands. I'm not overly worried because if we die, we go home with the Lord. If we don't, we still have time to spread the Gospel. I've read the book. I know how it ends. I'm not afraid.

 

[just-want-peace]

Victyorious sez:

It doesn't take a genius to know that we have fallen so far down the path of morality and truth, that "God would have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah if He didn't judge this nation," as they say. I know I'm in the minority, but I cannot close the door on the possibility that God will warn us by His Holy Spirit either.

Bolded Mine

Well, I'm one more of this same minority!

Today is the first I've heard of this "prophesy", so I'm not in a position to either accept or reject it.

 

[Victorious]

"Soon" is not very specific.

"New York City, New Jersey and Connecticut" is pretty specific. What is going to happen (fires and looting) is pretty specific.

MY take on it all? I think we are to be prepared for some rough times - but be prudent with that preparation. I'm not looking to find a homestead in the hills where we can raise our own meat and be completely off grid - storing up supplies for over a year.

But then again, I'm trying to not just have a few day's groceries on hand. We have supplimental heat, batteries, food stores (not as much as it should be but I'm trying to work through some old stuff then restore our "stores") for a few weeks and such. We have a sailboat that we can be pretty self-sufficient on for a time and other than that, it's in God's hands. I'm not overly worried because if we die, we go home with the Lord. If we don't, we still have time to spread the Gospel. I've read the book. I know how it ends. I'm not afraid.

Agree completely. My husband and I have already been making preparations and have rabbits, soon to have chickens, and he has worked tirelessly on a vegetable garden. He believes we are going to need it.

There isn't anything wrong with preparing for the worst even if you don't believe Wilkerson or Paul Washer. There are enouugh indicators to know that we could very well (and very soon) be forced into a difficult situation. But I agree that we should not be frightened, but strengthened in Him. He is where all Christians must put their trust. True believers are blessed with His peace.

 

[thegospelgeek]

Add me as another. I don't know anything about Wilkerson and just read about this today in this thread, but my wife and I have been expecting something along these lines for a couple of years now. We have been learning to can, hunt,etc. Will we need it? Who knows, but as people said when I worked construction "Save your money, hard times are a comin"

 

[Marcia]

I do not believe God gives anyone visions for the church or the world anymore.

Here are some of Wilkerson's false prophecies, according to this site. Apparently, I found out recently that they are written up in a book as well, Soothsayers of the Second Advent, by William Alnor.

http://www.geocities.com/asterisktom/wilkerson.html

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[SIZE=+0]PROPHECIES[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]1. NO MORE GOSPEL ON TV BY 1999?[/SIZE]


He preached this in the Solomon Church in December of 1994:

"Right now I sense in my spirit that in less than 5 years there will be no more so-called gospel television networks. They will all fall into bankruptcy and absolute ruin."​

[SIZE=-1]2. 1000 FIRES IN NEW YORK CITY DUE TO RACE RIOTS IN 1993?[/SIZE]



From a prophecy of September 7, 1992:

"I have had recurring visions of over 1,000 fires burning at one time here in New York city. I am convinced race riots will soon explode! New York City is right now a powder keg-ready to blow!...federal and State Welfare cutbacks will be the spark that ignites the fuse. Next year, New York City could have over 100,000 angry men on the streets, enraged because they have been cut off from benefits....Federal troops will have to move in to restore order. New York City will have tanks running down its avenues....Churches will be closed for a season because it will be too dangerous to travel about. Fires will rage everywhere."​

Although Wilkerson set the expiration date of this prophecy himself - " Next year" (i.e. 1993), he now says that this is yet future. This is a common expedient for those who assume themselves to be prophets, moving the goal-posts, hoping that others will forget by then.

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One false prophecy, according to the Bible, means he is a false prophet no matter what else he says, and we should not listen to him.

 

[Victorious]

I do not believe God gives anyone visions for the church or the world anymore.

Here are some of Wilkerson's false prophecies, according to this site. Apparently, I found out recently that they are written up in a book as well, Soothsayers of the Second Advent, by William Alnor.

http://www.geocities.com/asterisktom/wilkerson.html




One false prophecy, according to the Bible, means he is a false prophet no matter what else he says, and we should not listen to him.

I agree with you. You made a good point. What about Paul Washer?

 

[EdSutton]

Ah'm cornfused!!??

I agree with you. You made a good point. What about Paul Washer?

What exactly does Paul Washer have to do with David Wilkerson??

Ed

 

[Victorious]

What exactly does Paul Washer have to do with David Wilkerson??

Ed

You didn't read my previous reply. Take a look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7UyZYpeReY

 

[Grasshopper]

Did God give a specific time, or did He say "No man knows the day or the hour?" Hmmm....

Hmmmmmm......... you ever actually read the Bible?


Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

In the book of Revelation, was there a specific time or "in the last days"?

Yes:


Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Rev 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.


And the "last days" you ask about, they were a 1st century occurance:


Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

When the soundest of preachers gives this warning I take note. God determines the time.

God does indeed determine the time and told us. You have a strange view of "sound preachers".

 

[Grasshopper]

And I have not made up my mind on that. I don't know what prophecies he's made that have failed - just the timing was off. I will reserve my judgement on that one.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Was the timing not part of his prophecy?

 

[Victorious]

Hmmmmmm......... you ever actually read the Bible?


Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.




Yes:


Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Rev 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.


And the "last days" you ask about, they were a 1st century occurance:


Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;





God does indeed determine the time and told us. You have a strange view of "sound preachers".

Well, since you would prefer to be insulting rather than convincing, I'll leave it at that. I disagree with your understanding of my reply.

 

[Grasshopper]

Actually, soon can equal many things!

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John,..." (Revelation 1:1 NASB)

Soon doesn't mean soon, near doesn't mean near, shortly doesn't mean shortly, at hand doesn't mean at hand and quickly doesn't mean quickly.

Yet dispies say the take the Bible literally.

And how many years did Noah prophesy before the flood came? Would you have considered him a false prophet?

I would if he couched it in a time frame, like "this generation" or "the time is at hand".

"For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known."
(1 Corinthians 13:12 NASB)

If the Perfect is the closed canon, Paul never realized the fulfillment of this in his time.

1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

What is you basis for the perfect being the canon of scripture?

 

[LadyEagle]

Well, since you would prefer to be insulting rather than convincing, I'll leave it at that. I disagree with your understanding of my reply.

Smart woman! :thumbs: You're a quick learner. :flower:

 

[Marcia]

I agree with you. You made a good point. What about Paul Washer?

I never heard nor heard of Paul Washer. I watched the video you posted a link to.

This is not like Wilkerson. Washer is not claiming here, as far as I can tell, that God gave him a prophecy. He seems to be giving his own views, and is talking generally about how the culture is getting more anti-Christian and will persecute Christians. If it's his view and opinion, that's fine. Based on this video, I would not call him a false prophet. Wilkerson gave and is giving predictions that he says God gave him. Big difference.

 

[Grasshopper]

Smart woman! :thumbs: You're a quick learner. :flower:

Ahh yes, LE will never answer a question but she will pop in ever once in a while and throw a dart. Shouldn't you be planning for this coming catastrophe?

 

[LadyEagle]

Ahh yes, LE will never answer a question but she will pop in ever once in a while and throw a dart. Shouldn't you be planning for this coming catastrophe?

:laugh: What makes you think we don't have plenty of water and TP on hand, brother GH? :laugh:

 

[rjprince]

God done tole me He haint tolt that other guy nuttin!!!

 

[EdSutton]

You didn't read my previous reply. Take a look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7UyZYpeReY

Actually, I have read every post on this thread, as of now. (This happens to be the second time on this thread someone has said or implied that I did not read the response, BTW.) However, I have no interest in looking at some video clip of (or about) someone, nor in taking the time, at this moment, to watch any "complete performance" of any said individual, either. The thread is about the so-called "urgent message" by one David Wilkerson, not something by one Paul Washer. You have attempted to inject Mr. Washer into the thread, and I have simply asked what the latter has to do with the former.

BTW, I also do know something about both Paul Washer and David Wilkerson, and while I don't claim to be any great 'expert' on either, have been somewhat familiar with David Wilkerson for more than 40 years.

Ed

 

[Victorious]

Soon doesn't mean soon, near doesn't mean near, shortly doesn't mean shortly, at hand doesn't mean at hand and quickly doesn't mean quickly.

Yet dispies say the take the Bible literally.






I would if he couched it in a time frame, like "this generation" or "the time is at hand".





1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

What is you basis for the perfect being the canon of scripture?

If you are asking me, please re-read what I wrote. I never said I believe that. I don't.

As far as taking the bible literally... I believe in the inerrant scriptures, but much is symbolic. I certainly do not believe Jesus is an actual piece of bread.

It's funny, but I have to wonder why all these philosophical questions and disputes over nothing? How many Christians do you think it takes to change a light bulb? Answer? WHO KNOWS AND WHO CARES? Are you baiting?

What is time? To God one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like one day. Do you want truth or pseudo-religion in the form of man-centered theology? Does God take note of time? Well, I suppose He does, since He gave us the ability to judge times and seasons by the stars! He has numbered our days...etch. There were prophecies that had specific times attached (Daniel 9) but others with prophetic warnings that were dependent upon a turning away of son. God always gives us time to repent and always warns Him people ahead of time. He doesn't always place his judgments into a period of time. And remember Jonah? He was to prophesy but God changed the program!

But you seem to be referring to Dispensationalism. God has given us the signs of His coming and for a reason. More importantly... Do you believe Jesus Christ will return in the flesh and that we should have our lamps lit in perpetual anticipation of the event? If we do this, "time" as we know it is irrelevant.

I'm not sure your understanding of "this generation" is accurate. But I will refrain from commenting because I'm not sure where you are coming from. (on a personal note...I've been up all night with a new litter of puppies and I'm running on low...:sleep:

 

[Victorious]

Out of curiosity, do you raise any 'heirloom' veggies?

Ed

Well Ed, I'm not sure your question is edifying or meant to tear down. Are you a mocker, or someone who knows the facts? If you are implying that I'm a wacko and we do not have genetically modified STERILE seeds (compliments of Monsanto), I would suggest you stroll down to Walmart and ask the person in charge of the nursery. I did. To top that off, before you give an opinion on "conspiracy theorists" check the local garden clubs. It's always better to have knowledge before you bait. If on the other hand, you are a fellow gardner, forget the above paragraph. :saint:

"Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear." (Ephesians 4:29 NASB)

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