Featured Definition Part II

What is a full free will? You either have free will or you do not. You calvinist love to put qualifiers on words like "absolute,or full" Those have nothing to do with free will it is just the calvinist way of avoiding the issue.

 

Do we have "libertine" free will?

 

There is a difference between faith and the faith, Jude 1:3.

 

The gift Grace through Faith. The whole piece is the gift. The faith is part of the gift, the grace is part of the gift. It's a package deal.

 

Wait a minute, you throw insults all the time...

 

You evidently do not understand my point of view.

 

That is a misinterpretation of Ephesians 2:8.

 

We have "free will". Why do you struggle with this? Do you not know what the words mean?

 

That would be your opinion.

 

Yeah but free will in what way? Absolute Free Will? Free Will Within parameters? What do you mean when YOU say free will?

 

The gift is salvation because of ones faith, but you fail to see that.
It does not say Grace and Faith you have to read that into the text.

For by grace are ye saved - It is not by your Own merit; it is not because you have any claim. This is a favorite doctrine with Paul, as it is with all who love the Lord Jesus in sincerity

Through faith - Grace bestowed through faith, or in connection with believing

And that not of yourselves -The word “that,” therefore, does not refer particularly to faith, as being the gift of God, but to “the salvation by grace” of which he had been speaking. This is the interpretation of the passage which is the most obvious, and which is now generally conceded to be the true one. Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible

It is our “own mind” that repents; our own heart that feels; our own eyes that weep - and without this there can he no true repentance. No one can repent for another; and God neither can nor ought to repent; for us. He has done no wrong, and if repentance is ever exercised, therefore, it must be exercised by our own minds

 

Free will: the ability to choose between two or more courses of action unimpeded

Free will is closely linked to the concepts of moral responsibility, praise, culpability, sin, and other judgements which apply only to actions that are freely chosen.

Only actions that are freely willed are seen as deserving credit or blame.

For example, in "On Grace and Free Will," (see especially chapters II-IV)
Augustine states: "He [God] has revealed to us, through His Holy Scriptures, that there is in man a free choice of will," and that "God's precepts themselves would be of no use to a man unless he had free choice of will, so that by performing them he might obtain the promised rewards." (On Grace and Free Will, chap. II) Augustine

 

That is absolute free will. That does not exist.

 

Your "absolute free will" is not free will, it is just your pseudo free will. It is just your calvinist view that causes you problems. But your view on free will goes a long way in explaining why you do not have a good understanding of scripture.

If someone had your "absolute free will" they would be able to save themselves, but since no one can do that then, no "absolute free will". It is just a boogeyman that you trot out when you have no ground to stand on.

Unimpeded - Not obstructed or hindered.
God given free will. You seem to have a real problem with God being God.

Guess you did not like the Augustine quote then?

 

Like what? Telling your theology is in error, that's not an insult that is truth.

 

I don't see your point.
Jude 1:3-4
Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

When you read 1 Peter you understand that Satan is prowling about, trying to consume the believers faith. But, Peter hearkens back to Luke 22 where Jesus tells him that Satan wanted to sift him, yet Jesus was praying for Peter so that Satan could not consume all his faith. Jesus tells him that when Peter gets through the ordeal, he should strengthen others. Peter does this in his first epistle. He guarantees his readers that God will keep them.

What we see in Jude is that same concept regarding the believers faith. Satan is out to devour faith. We are to contend and know that Jesus ever intercedes.

 

Faith is essential to knowledge. Without faith no one can know anything. Epistemology.

 

What?
How is your comment related to anything in the Bible?

 

Romans 10:17-18, ". . . So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. . . ."
John 17:17, ". . . thy truth: thy word is truth. . .
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Biblical epistemology. Faith.comes from truth.

 

Won’t stick?

Does not even compute.

You did not answer my question.

1. We are DEAD because of sin. The penalty of sin is death\
2. We can not be made alive, quickened, or born again UNTIL the penalty is removed.
3. The legal term for having ones dead paid or forgiven, or being declaired innocent of all wrong doing is called justification.
4. By legal Definition. A man can not be freed from his debt (death) until justification occures, in this case, through redemption.
5. Hence in conclusion. Justification MUST precede regeneration. No matter how you try to spin it. That is the facts. God does not change the t rules to suit people. He must follow the rules. He is all loving, He is all grace, but he is also all justice. He is the perfect judge. To go against his justice would be to go against himself.

If, as you say, Being made alive must precede justification because it was purchased 2000 years ago in the cross. Then all the elect would be born alive, not dead. They would be born in CHrist, Not in adam. In fact. They woudl never have to come to faith. Why come to faith to be justified if your already jjustified? That makes no sense at all.