Did God cause the earthquake in Haiti?

[InTheLight]

the religion(s) of haiti are totally satanic. voodoo and catholicism mixed... rotten to the core and straight from the pit of hell.

I know this thread has been dormant for over a year now, and this "poster" may not post on here anymore, but I want to address something he stated.

I wasn't aware that God was in the nation judging business anymore. I thought in this New Testament age of grace God deals with individuals and not nation states.

 

[Iconoclast]

That's what I've been saying. And if I remember correctly, when God judged Sodom and Gemmorah, He removed the righteous before He destroyed the cities. When He sent the flood as judgment, He protected Noah and his family. When He judged Egypt, He protected the Hebrews. So it seems that when God pronounces judgment, He protects those that are His. But in the case of Haiti, I know there were Christians there who died. Maybe it was a punishment, but I don't think it was judgment.

What was it here in Amos 4? Did Amos consult the weather channel than figure out what caused the famine and drought?

O ye children of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

6And I also have given you cleanness of teeth in all your cities, and want of bread in all your places: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD.

7And also I have withholden the rain from you, when there were yet three months to the harvest: and I caused it to rain upon one city, and caused it not to rain upon another city: one piece was rained upon, and the piece whereupon it rained not withered.

8So two or three cities wandered unto one city, to drink water; but they were not satisfied: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD.

9I have smitten you with blasting and mildew: when your gardens and your vineyards and your fig trees and your olive trees increased, the palmerworm devoured them: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD.

10I have sent among you the pestilence after the manner of Egypt: your young men have I slain with the sword, and have taken away your horses; and I have made the stink of your camps to come up unto your nostrils: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD.

11I have overthrown some of you, as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, and ye were as a firebrand plucked out of the burning: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD.

12Therefore thus will I do unto thee, O Israel: and because I will do this unto thee, prepare to meet thy God, O Israel.

13For, lo, he that formeth the mountains, and createth the wind, and declareth unto man what is his thought, that maketh the morning darkness, and treadeth upon the high places of the earth, The LORD, The God of hosts, is his name.
In the light said;

I wasn't aware that God was in the nation judging business anymore. I thought in this New Testament age of grace God deals with individuals and not nation states[/QUO
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God is still God, why would you think he is just a spectator now? This dispensatinal idea ..that we are somehow in an...age of grace is a heresy. There has always been grace,wrath , law ,human Government,these are not seperate dispensations where God deals with only one theme at a time. grace ,law, judgement always are together.
Dispensationalism wrongly divides the word of God

 

[InTheLight]

but if you want to remain in your delusion of gander then that's your problem.

Silly goose...

(sorry couldn't resist. BTW, I agree with your post Sag38)

 

[Amy.G]

What was it here in Amos 4? Did Amos consult the weather channel than figure out what caused the famine and drought?

O ye children of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

6And I also have given you cleanness of teeth in all your cities, and want of bread in all your places: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD.

7And also I have withholden the rain from you, when there were yet three months to the harvest: and I caused it to rain upon one city, and caused it not to rain upon another city: one piece was rained upon, and the piece whereupon it rained not withered.

8So two or three cities wandered unto one city, to drink water; but they were not satisfied: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD.

9I have smitten you with blasting and mildew: when your gardens and your vineyards and your fig trees and your olive trees increased, the palmerworm devoured them: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD.

10I have sent among you the pestilence after the manner of Egypt: your young men have I slain with the sword, and have taken away your horses; and I have made the stink of your camps to come up unto your nostrils: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD.

11I have overthrown some of you, as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, and ye were as a firebrand plucked out of the burning: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD.

12Therefore thus will I do unto thee, O Israel: and because I will do this unto thee, prepare to meet thy God, O Israel.

13For, lo, he that formeth the mountains, and createth the wind, and declareth unto man what is his thought, that maketh the morning darkness, and treadeth upon the high places of the earth, The LORD, The God of hosts, is his name.
In the light said;

I wasn't aware that God was in the nation judging business anymore. I thought in this New Testament age of grace God deals with individuals and not nation states[/QUO
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God is still God, why would you think he is just a spectator now? This dispensatinal idea ..that we are somehow in an...age of grace is a heresy. There has always been grace,wrath , law ,human Government,these are not seperate dispensations where God deals with only one theme at a time. grace ,law, judgement always are together.
Dispensationalism wrongly divides the word of God

I posted that a year ago. A lot has happened since then and all I know is that God is God and I'm not.

 

[InTheLight]

God is still God, why would you think he is just a spectator now? This dispensatinal idea ..that we are somehow in an...age of grace is a heresy. There has always been grace,wrath , law ,human Government,these are not seperate dispensations where God deals with only one theme at a time. grace ,law, judgement always are together.
Dispensationalism wrongly divides the word of God


I posted that a year ago. A lot has happened since then and all I know is that God is God and I'm not.

When I look at my Bible it is divided into the New Testament and the Old Testament. Things ARE different in them. Forget the dispensational wordage I used and just look at the scripture. There was the Law and repeatable sacrifices and now there is Grace and Christ's one sacrifice. God judged nations in the Old Testament. Where is the call for nation judging in the New Testament? (Or would you say the Crusades justified?)

That's all I was saying.

 

[Amy.G]

When I look at my Bible it is divided into the New Testament and the Old Testament. Things ARE different in them. Forget the dispensational wordage I used and just look at the scripture. There was the Law and repeatable sacrifices and now there is Grace and Christ's one sacrifice. God judged nations in the Old Testament. Where is the call for nation judging in the New Testament? (Or would you say the Crusades justified?)

That's all I was saying.

Most of the quote you posted wasn't mine. I don't how it got mixed up. I said God is God and I'm not. The other part wasn't my words. It was Iconoclast.

 

[Andy T.]

Does God allow or cause in these situations? I can definitely see the legitimacy of the argument that says God allows certain things to happen when it relates to the freedom of human beings - i.e., God allows them to sin through their free will.

But when it comes to the natural order, I don't see how you can escape that God does cause these things. Tectonic plates do not have a will of their own, like a man does. Waves and weather do not act upon their own instincts - they have no intelligence whatsoever. So we either have a natural order that is random and outside of God's control, or we have God who is directing these things.

If you want to argue for a deist god that "sets it all in motion" then you will still have to come to one of these conclusions - either it is all random after God sets it in motion (and thus, out of his control), or God programmed it at the time he set it in motion (and thus, he de facto caused it).

 

[HankD]

In the context of the creation the word is "upholds".

He did not just set things in motion but "upholds" or maintains and enables the laws of creation as well as in the spiritual realm:

Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;​

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins,

"upholding" is a present participle, indicating continuous action.

Paul was speaking to unbelievers when he said this:

Acts 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.​

HankD​

 

[InTheLight]

Most of the quote you posted wasn't mine. I don't how it got mixed up. I said God is God and I'm not. The other part wasn't my words. It was Iconoclast.

OK, I understand.

 

[Skandelon]

Yes...but.

Did God "allow" the calamity in Job's life or did He cause it? That's the question.

Blessings,

The Archangel

Is there any real distinction between these two options in the Calvinistic framework?

 

[webdog]

Perfect opportunity for Luke to define decree for us

 

[Iconoclast]

When I look at my Bible it is divided into the New Testament and the Old Testament. Things ARE different in them. Forget the dispensational wordage I used and just look at the scripture. There was the Law and repeatable sacrifices and now there is Grace and Christ's one sacrifice. God judged nations in the Old Testament. Where is the call for nation judging in the New Testament? (Or would you say the Crusades justified?)

That's all I was saying.

In the light;
The bible can be looked at in one sense as divided into the time before the cross and the time after the cross,yes. There are some things different before the cross and yet God is exact and unchanging. Certain aspects of the law given to Israel as a theocracy were specific to them. Other elements remain or were expanded./
Why would you think it is a different God or a different way of handling things .
in Acts 5 individual judgement came to ;Ananias and his wife-

9Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.

10Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

11And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.

In Second Peter 3 we are told that this world is still held together by the same word of God as when he destroyed the earth in Noahs day.

7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

24God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

25Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

26And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

27That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

28For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

29Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

30And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

32And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.

25See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

26Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

27And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

28Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

29For our God is a consuming fire.

Because we do not have special revelation any more does not mean God has given over the control of this world to anyone else.

 

[Skandelon]

Perfect opportunity for Luke to define decree for us

I'm not holding my breath.


BTW, I failed to publicly acknowledge the accuracy of your prophecy regarding that discussion. Amazingly accurate. :saint:

 

[Iconoclast]

Perfect opportunity for Luke to define decree for us

Well Luke could do that,or we could ask Louis Berkof to tell us here;

http://www.theopedia.com/Decrees_of_God

 

[webdog]

Well Luke could do that,or we could ask Louis Berkof to tell us here;

It would be a start to see if he agrees with anything Berkof stated

FWIW, the very first thing I saw when clicking on this link was "This article or section may require cleanup to meet Theopedia's quality standards."

 

[webdog]

I'm not holding my breath.


BTW, I failed to publicly acknowledge the accuracy of your prophecy regarding that discussion. Amazingly accurate. :saint:

:laugh: I'm one for one in the prophecy department.

 

[InTheLight]

Because we do not have special revelation any more does not mean God has given over the control of this world to anyone else.

Nowhere did I assert that God doesn't control the world or has given control to anyone else. I did say that God no longer judges individual nations, rather he judges individuals. That's it.

 

[Luke2427]

Perfect opportunity for Luke to define decree for us

For the tenth time.

 

[Skandelon]

For the tenth time.

It just takes one to prove it to everyone here that you are not lying right now. I challenge you to link to the post where you defined the term "decree."

Note: Quoting the term being used in a confessional statement is not a definition.

 

[Iconoclast]

Nowhere did I assert that God doesn't control the world or has given control to anyone else. I did say that God no longer judges individual nations, rather he judges individuals. That's it.

1.Psalm 9:17
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
Psalm 9:16-18 (in Context) Psalm 9 (Whole Chapter)

6Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

10Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

What reason do you have to believe this is not true?

32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: