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Did God cause the earthquake in Haiti?

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Alcott

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No. With all that ranting and stomping in Wisconsin, those people caused a major earth quake on the opposite side of the globe.​
 
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Luke2427

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Skandelon said:
It just takes one to prove it to everyone here that you are not lying right now. I challenge you to link to the post where you defined the term "decree."

Note: Quoting the term being used in a confessional statement is not a definition.
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If the Westminster and Baptist Confession of Faith does not suit you then you are beyond help, Skandelon.

Confessions exist to tell the world what those doing the confessing believe certain doctrines mean and why they adhere to them.

The WCF, c3p1 begins, “God from all eternity did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass:”
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If that is not good enough for you then you cannot be helped.

I have also posted the Baptist Confession of Faith on decrees:

Chapter 3: Of God's Decree
1._____ God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein; nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established; in which appears his wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness in accomplishing his decree.
( Isaiah 46:10; Ephesians 1:11; Hebrews 6:17; Romans 9:15, 18; James 1:13; 1 John 1:5; Acts 4:27, 28; John 19:11; Numbers 23:19; Ephesians 1:3-5 )

2._____ Although God knoweth whatsoever may or can come to pass, upon all supposed conditions, yet hath he not decreed anything, because he foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions.
( Acts 15:18; Romans 9:11, 13, 16, 18 )

3._____ By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels are predestinated, or foreordained to eternal life through Jesus Christ, to the praise of his glorious grace; others being left to act in their sin to their just condemnation, to the praise of his glorious justice.
( 1 Timothy 5:21; Matthew 25:34; Ephesians 1:5, 6; Romans 9:22, 23; Jude 4 )

4.______These angels and men thus predestinated and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed, and their number so certain and definite, that it cannot be either increased or diminished.
( 2 Timothy 2:19; John 13:18 )

5._____ Those of mankind that are predestinated to life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to his eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of his will, hath chosen in Christ unto everlasting glory, out of his mere free grace and love, without any other thing in the creature as a condition or cause moving him thereunto.
( Ephesians 1:4, 9, 11; Romans 8:30; 2 Timothy 1:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:9; Romans 9:13, 16; Ephesians 2:5, 12 )

6._____ As God hath appointed the elect unto glory, so he hath, by the eternal and most free purpose of his will, foreordained all the means thereunto; wherefore they who are elected, being fallen in Adam, are redeemed by Christ, are effectually called unto faith in Christ, by his Spirit working in due season, are justified, adopted, sanctified, and kept by his power through faith unto salvation; neither are any other redeemed by Christ, or effectually called, justified, adopted, sanctified, and saved, but the elect only.
( 1 Peter 1:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 5:9, 10; Romans 8:30; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Peter 1:5; John 10:26; John 17:9; John 6:64 )

7._____ The doctrine of the high mystery of predestination is to be handled with special prudence and care, that men attending the will of God revealed in his Word, and yielding obedience thereunto, may, from the certainty of their effectual vocation, be assured of their eternal election; so shall this doctrine afford matter of praise, reverence, and admiration of God, and of humility, diligence, and abundant consolation to all that sincerely obey the gospel.
( 1 Thessalonians 1:4, 5; 2 Peter 1:10; Ephesians 1:6; Romans 11:33; Romans 11:5, 6, 20; Luke 10:20 )
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Now these are the best words ever spoken or written by mortal man on the subject of decrees. This is the most THOROUGH description of what the decrees of God are that any human being can give you this side of eternity.
 
Skandelon

Skandelon

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Luke2427 said:
If the Westminster and Baptist Confession of Faith does not suit you then you are beyond help, Skandelon.

Confessions exist to tell the world what those doing the confessing believe certain doctrines mean and why they adhere to them.



If that is not good enough for you then you cannot be helped.

I have also posted the Baptist Confession of Faith on decrees:



Now these are the best words ever spoken or written by mortal man on the subject of decrees. This is the most THOROUGH description of what the decrees of God are that any human being can give you this side of eternity.
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I replied to this here.
 
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Tom Butler

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Isaiah 45:7 I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the LORD, who does all these things.

Daniel 4:35 All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, but )He does according to His will in the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of earth; and no one can ward off His hand or say to Him, 'What have You done?'

Well, I guess we're done here.
 
Earth Wind and Fire

Earth Wind and Fire

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Tom Butler said:
Isaiah 45:7 I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the LORD, who does all these things.

Daniel 4:35 All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, but )He does according to His will in the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of earth; and no one can ward off His hand or say to Him, 'What have You done?'

Well, I guess we're done here.
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Bravo Brother Tom.... Me thinks I hearith the word "Sovereignty" being bandied about. Forsooth or some equally strange expression. Equal to sovereignty in the eyes of ....well, you knows who'd Id be speakin bout.
 
Skandelon

Skandelon

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Tom Butler said:
Isaiah 45:7 I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the LORD, who does all these things.

Daniel 4:35 All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, but )He does according to His will in the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of earth; and no one can ward off His hand or say to Him, 'What have You done?'

Well, I guess we're done here.
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I would add, "Matt. 5:43 Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy: 44 but I say unto you, love your enemies, and pray for them that persecute you; 45 that ye may be sons of your Father who is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sendeth rain on the just and the unjust.

Maybe someone should start a thread asking, "Did God cause the sun to rise on us this morning?"
 
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Amy.G

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Skandelon said:
Maybe someone should start a thread asking, "Did God cause the sun to rise on us this morning?"
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I can't believe I'm on the Calvinists side! :eek:

Yes, God did cause the sun to rise this morning.

Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.


Christ holds the universe together. The sun would not rise if He didn't.
 
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quantumfaith

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Amy.G said:
I can't believe I'm on the Calvinists side! :eek:

Yes, God did cause the sun to rise this morning.

Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.


Christ holds the universe together. The sun would not rise if He didn't.
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Amy, I am pretty certain that Skandelon concedes that point, rather I think he is simply being a bit facetious. Oh, and BTW, I know you know this, the sun does not rise, we only "percieve" it as such by our rotation on the the axis. But you ( and even my beloved reformed brethren) are correct, God is the glue of the universe, the micro, and the macro.
 
Jerome

Jerome

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quantumfaith said:
the sun does not rise, we only "perceive" it as such by our rotation on the the axis
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John Calvin, Sermons sur l'Epitre aux Corinthiens:

Nous en verrons d'aucuns si frenetiques, non pas seulement en la religion, mais pour monstrer par tout qu'ils ont une nature monstrueuse, qu'ils diront que le soliel ne se bouge, et que c'est la terre qui se remue et qu'elle tourne. Quand nous voyons de tels esprits, il faut bien dire que le diable les ait possedez, et que Dieu nous les propose comme des miroirs, pour nous faire demeurer en sa crainte.
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=Those who say that the earth moves round, rather than the sun, are demon-possessed!

:laugh:
 
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quantumfaith

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Jerome said:
John Calvin, Sermons sur l'Epitre aux Corinthiens:



=Those who say that the earth moves round, rather than the sun, are demon-possessed!

:laugh:
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Assuming that is french, which thankfully I do not speak. But just another point that I would disagree with Mr. Calvin, and yet another reason to keep my "no name" theology. :)
 
Jerome

Jerome

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Four and a half centuries and much of the man's work has yet to be translated into English.

His followers may not know all his teachings yet, but evidently quite a few have the namecalling thing down pat.
 
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