Yet Christ died....go figure. Either you are right or Scripture is right.
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Did Jesus Have the Same nature as Adam. Or All of Us then?
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Ephesians 2:1
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Yes, for Jesus allowed Himself to die as the means to atone for sins by becoming the Sin bearer of the personal sins of His own people, but He was not subject to it, as was born a sinner as all after Adam save Him had been!
Go past the first part of the first verse:
Ephesians 2:1-3 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
I was born with a sin nature, Jesus had none....His nature was perfect Humanity, the way that God had created Adam with having!
Yes, as were were all by our very natures enemies of God, children destined for wrath, was Jesus for any period of time an enemy of God,whose nature was an ementy with God?
Nope - try again.
Galatians 4:1-5 Now I say, as long as the heir is a child, he does not differ at all from a slave although he is owner of everything, but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by the father. So also we, while we were children, were held in bondage under the elemental things of the world. But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
Again, you are preferring your theory over Scripture. Please read both Galatians and Ephesians (the entire letters...they are not long).
You may think so, but you were born with a human nature. Jesus was also born with a human nature. You did not have to sin, but you did and therein lies your guilt. Jesus did not sin.
As both Paul and the author of Hebrews teaches - if Jesus did not have the kind of nature that is common to man then he cannot have saved us. I encourage you to read Scripture, with this warning - if you do you are going to have to decide between your theory and the Scripture you read.
Born under the law, as he was born a Jewish man, under the Old Covenant time with God, no mention of being cursed!
You deny that we are birth/natures, enemies of God and at war against God, as our flesh will and cannot submit to Him in itself?
I had to sin against God, as I was already born alive in this world in the state of being a sinner in my very nature apart from God, you were also!
Christ's body died, but as all who are eternal He did not die (Father, into your hands I commend my Spirit) but was found in another place until the resurrection.
No. James and Paul are right. I am guilty of my sin.
Yep. And the thief was there as well Spiritual death (the second death) is a judgment in relation to Christ, not Adam.Christ's body died, but as all who are eternal He did not die (Father, into your hands I commend my Spirit) but was found in another place until the resurrection.
Yes, as we were all born under the effects of the fall of Adam, and were all already condemned until made alive again in Christ!
We all are already born spiritual dead....
Perhaps it would be good to examine the flow following the "fullness of the time."
God sent His Son. The Son was pre-existing the "fullness of time."
Born of a woman. This is important for it shows that the Son was not suddenly proclaimed a Son at the Baptism of John. Rather, The Son was born a Son with full rights and privileges as a Son, not an adopted heir as one who is born and then is adopted in salvation. Jesus was in no need of such an adoption, for He was His Son.
Born under the law. This is signifying that He had yet died, and the "age of grace" had not formally begun. But was compliant to the demands of the Mosaic Law and all that the Law would concern. As such, He then was able to accomplish what none other born of the first Adam could.
THAT. There is Always a reason for the "that" when "that" occurs in the Scriptures. What follows is the reason for what was stated previously. So knowing that God sent His Son at just the right time, and the Son was born and not suddenly endowed, appeared (manifested) or grew into the job (as believers are to do) the word "that" is place to indicate the reason(s) follow.
He might redeem. This is the purpose for the coming. Without this purpose there is no reason for the coming.
Those who were under the law. This is focus group or target group of the purpose. Those who "might (be) redeem(ed)" are not just all things created, but specifically "those who were under the law." That excluded the plant life, the sea creatures, the land creatures, the angels, the demonic forces, ... only the human group are "those who were under the law."
THAT. Again, look at the "that" above for the specific use of the "that" in all Scriptures.
We. The we is the sub group of all the group who "might (be) redeem(ed)".
Receive the adoption as sons. The believers are "adopted" they are not "born" and although they have the rights and privileges of the Son, are sons by proclamation of adoption and not by birth right.
This is true concerning the "second death." For all unbelievers are already condemned to that second death.
What did not occur on the Cross was the second death for either Christ or the believing thief. Rather, they both had eternal life. One had it as the Son of God the other had it as the adopted son of God.
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