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Did Jesus preach to spirits in Paradise?

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loDebar

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No, it is you who thinks God is limited by time. Time does not exist in Eternity. That is what "eternity" means. "Outside of time."

Yes, we know that. And it is valid "from the foundation of the world." And Mary was told not to cling to Him because He had to go away or the Comforter could not come.

Not at issue. Another non-sequitur.

no, it is pertinent we know the debt is paid, our sin forgiven
 

TCassidy

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loDebar

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Yes. He was buried. We know that.

The dead are not in Paradise unless they are saved.

Heaven has always been complete.

The saints always did.


We are saying the dead are in Paradise ARE saved, as the thief on the cross. And these were the only ones allowed into Heaven,,, not the rich man but Lazarus
Heaven is not complete sin Satan sinned, thus Col 1: reconcile unto himself.


If the saints always went to Heaven why are Lazarus and the thief assigned to Paradise.

You usually are right on doctrine, I am totally surprised at you position on this. I though it was well taught teachings among Baptists
 

TCassidy

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Jesus used it in Luke but it is not used as a place but an adjective of Heaven.
Wrong again. The Greek word translated "Paradise" in Luke is παραδεισω, a singular masculine noun in the dative case.
 

loDebar

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Wrong again. The Greek word translated "Paradise" in Luke is παραδεισω, a singular masculine noun in the dative case.

no, Luke was singular noun as a place but used elsewhere in the NT as a noun describing Heaven as Paradise
 

loDebar

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Come on guys, If Satan was kicked out , why let him back in?

If Satan sinned and can still visit Heaven, why cant I?

no, the sons of God(fallen angels) and Satan were here when God brought them in his presence.
That is all the verse says.

If angels are held in captivity why let them loose
 

TCassidy

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no, Luke was singular noun as a place but used elsewhere in the NT as a noun describing Heaven as Paradise
In all three usages of παραδεισω in the New Testament, every time it is a noun. It is NEVER an adjective.
 

TCassidy

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Ted this is well documented,
Who is Ted?

It is the only explanation of how the OT saints can go to Heaven without having heard of Jesus.
They all heard of Him. The bible says so. Acts10:43 To him (Jesus the Messiah) give all the prophets witness, that through his name (by His saving authority) whosoever (OT saints, NT saints, and us) believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
 

TCassidy

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It is now, but not before the cross. both are comfort for the righteous dead, according to Jesus
Paradise has always been Heaven as I showed from Ecc. God did not make a mistake. Heaven did not need remodeling before the saints could move in.
 
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