Different interpretations based on different interpretations.... lol

[Silverhair]

Yes, my Lord JESUS left very clear, saying: Revelation 22: 18 & 20:
18 For I testify unto every MAN that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, GOD shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
That said, the apostate Church of Rome, which rides upon the MAN Beast of sea, is condemned BY JESUS to be cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone-Revelation 19:20-21.





Not me, but the Word of GOD through Paul Apostle, combined with 1John 2:18-19, says by his universal epistle to the church of Rome chapter 1:18-32, as follow:

18 For the WRATH of God is revealed from heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-8 about true believers) against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the Truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of GOD is manifest in them; for GOD hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Spiritual condition of the Apostate Church of Rome and its idolatries -
21 Because that, when they knew GOD, they glorified Him not as GOD, neither were thankful; but BECAME VAIN in their imaginations, and their FOOLISH HEART was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible GOD into an image made like to corruptible MAN, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore GOD also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of GOD into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature (Mary mother of JESUS, Apostles, and countless DEFUNCTS BEATIFIED BY THE POPES, like Madre Teresa), more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause GOD gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. (The apostate Church of Rome with her guides and followers corrupted itself exceedingly, and turned morally corrupt , perverted, a DEPRAVED Church since ancient times, today is full of pedophiles, abusers of childs, as happened in Canada, for example)

28 And even as they did not like to retain GOD in their knowledge, GOD gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of GOD, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the Jjudgment of GOD, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

As I said you can have strong feelings about the RCC institution and even voice those opinions but you should not call into question the salvation status of those that are members of the RCC. You are not the judge of their soul. While the comments and actions may cause you to come to certain conclusions, questioning whether someone is saved or not can get you banned.

Just a friendly word of warning, tread lightly.

 

[Oseas3]

As I said you can have strong feelings about the RCC institution and even voice those opinions but you should not call into question the salvation status of those that are members of the RCC. You are not the judge of their soul. While the comments and actions may cause you to come to certain conclusions, questioning whether someone is saved or not can get you banned.

Just a friendly word of warning, tread lightly.

As I said, Not me, but the Word of GOD -the Word is GOD, self-executing, understand?, through Paul Apostle, combined with 1John 2:18-19(take a look), says by his universal epistle to the church of Rome chapter 1:18-32, as follow:

18 For the WRATH of God is revealed from heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-8 about true believers) against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the Truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of GOD is manifest in them; for GOD hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Spiritual condition of the Apostate Church of Rome and its idolatries -
21 Because that, when they knew GOD, they glorified Him not as GOD, neither were thankful; but BECAME VAIN in their imaginations, and their FOOLISH HEART was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

26 For this cause GOD gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

The Word is GOD, self-executing. One of the 7 heads of The Beast will be wounded to death. Revelation 13:3 and 14. Take a look.

 

[Cathode]

So God was powerless to keep Jesus from sin even though the Holy Spirit overshadowed her in which she became with child? No physical conception needed.

Unscriptural. She didn’t “became with child”

“ You will conceive and bear a son”

Mary conceived.

You have to decide whether He was conceived in sin of sinful flesh of Mary, or immaculate flesh of Mary.

“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. 5 For I was born a sinner— yes, from the moment my mother conceived me. ”

If you say Mary was a sinner, you are saying Jesus was a sinner as well.

 

[Silverhair]

Unscriptural. She didn’t “became with child”

“ You will conceive and bear a son”

Mary conceived.

You have to decide whether He was conceived in sin of sinful flesh of Mary, or immaculate flesh of Mary.

“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. 5 For I was born a sinner— yes, from the moment my mother conceived me. ”

If you say Mary was a sinner, you are saying Jesus was a sinner as well.

You obviously do not know your bible but then again why would you since you are not allowed to read your bible and actually trust what it says. You have to have the RCC tell you what the verses mean so you have to depend upon their private interpretation.

You should take to heart what Paul said:
Gal 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

So I have to wonder why you would trust the RCC as we know they have altered the gospel message. So they have proven themselves untrustworthy.

 

[Cathode]

You obviously do not know your bible but then again why would you since you are not allowed to read your bible and actually trust what it says. You have to have the RCC tell you what the verses mean so you have to depend upon their private interpretation.

The Bible says Mary conceived, this dude is saying Mary “became with child “ “ No conception needed “

“You will conceive and bear a son”

I’m holding you guys to scripture, believe it.

Jesus wasn’t “implanted”.

Jesus was flesh of her flesh, do not call that flesh sinful. You dishonour Jesus calling Him a sinner by that.

 

[Mikoo]

Unscriptural. She didn’t “became with child”

“ You will conceive and bear a son”

Mary conceived.

You have to decide whether He was conceived in sin of sinful flesh of Mary, or immaculate flesh of Mary.

“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. 5 For I was born a sinner— yes, from the moment my mother conceived me. ”

If you say Mary was a sinner, you are saying Jesus was a sinner as well.

My question was...So God was powerless to keep Jesus from sin even though the Holy Spirit overshadowed her in which she became with child?

What I wrote is true, "No physical conception needed'. Are you saying God had physical contact with Mary?

 

[Silverhair]

The Bible says Mary conceived, this dude is saying Mary “became with child “ “ No conception needed “

“You will conceive and bear a son”

I’m holding you guys to scripture, believe it.

Jesus wasn’t “implanted”.

Jesus was flesh of her flesh, do not call that flesh sinful. You dishonour Jesus calling Him a sinner by that.

You do make the strangest comments by times. You say we dishonour Christ by saying He is a sinner and yet it is only you that has called Him a sinner.

As a Bible believing Christian I would not call Christ Jesus a sinner. He was the sinless Lamb of God that appeased the wrath of God.

The bible says Christ was conceived by a sinful woman that needed a savior just as the rest of us do.

Show me the biblical text that says mary was sinless.

You keep saying that mary was sinless? She did not think she was sinless. So her being sinless is just another erroneous private interpretation of the RCC

You are allowing the RCC to tell you what the bible means rather than trust the indwelling Holy Spirit. It is like you are reading from a prepared script.

The RCC has made a baseless claim that mary was sinless. You as someone that does not even study your bible have believed what they told you. So you should go to your priest and ask him for some biblical proof of the RCC's false claim.

 

[Cathode]

My question was...So God was powerless to keep Jesus from sin even though the Holy Spirit overshadowed her in which she became with child?

What I wrote is true, "No physical conception needed'. Are you saying God had physical contact with Mary?

Mary conceived Jesus by the power of The Holy Spirit, Jesus is flesh of Mary’s sinless flesh. Of Mary’s flesh and blood and genetics. Mary conceived.

Mary is unique, she was given great graces to preserve her from all sin to fulfil her mission as Mother of God. To conceive God Incarnate.

“ The Almighty has done great things for me “

One of those great things was to to save her from all sin. That is where the Almighty used His power for her.

Just as the Ark had to be totally pure, for God to reside with it, Mary had to be totally pure for Jesus to reside in her.
Both were created for the same purpose, so that God could manifest and dwell with His people.

 

[37818]

@Cathode,
The Son of God was also always the LORD God. John 1:1-3, John 1:9-10, John 1:14, Luke 18:19.

 

[Silverhair]

Mary conceived Jesus by the power of The Holy Spirit, Jesus is flesh of Mary’s sinless flesh. Of Mary’s flesh and blood and genetics. Mary conceived.

Mary is unique, she was given great graces to preserve her from all sin to fulfil her mission as Mother of God. To conceive God Incarnate.

“ The Almighty has done great things for me “

One of those great things was to to save her from all sin. That is where the Almighty used His power for her.

Just as the Ark had to be totally pure, for God to reside with it, Mary had to be totally pure for Jesus to reside in her.
Both were created for the same purpose, so that God could manifest and dwell with His people.

You are reading from a script. The bible, which is our standard, does not support the RCC private interpretation.

Why does the RCC think it has the right to alter that truths of God? See was a sinner used of God to fulfill His plan just as Abraham, Noah, David, Paul, and all the others that have been or will be in the future. We are all sinners, no exception. That is why the sinless Lamb of God had to come to provide salvation for us.

If mary were sinless then she would not have needed a savior which she admitted she did.

 

[Cathode]

You are reading from a script. The bible, which is our standard, does not support the RCC private interpretation.

Why does the RCC think it has the right to alter that truths of God? See was a sinner used of God to fulfill His plan just as Abraham, Noah, David, Paul, and all the others that have been or will be in the future. We are all sinners, no exception. That is why the sinless Lamb of God had to come to provide salvation for us.

If mary were sinless then she would not have needed a savior which she admitted she did.

You can be saved before you step on a land mine, or after you step on a land mine.
God saved Mary before she stepped on the land mine of sin, we are saved after we stepped on the land mine of sin with all its damage.

That’s one of the great things The Almighty did for her, so she could conceive Jesus from her sinless flesh.

 

[Silverhair]

You can be saved before you step on a land mine, or after you step on a land mine.
God saved Mary before she stepped on the land mine of sin, we are saved after we stepped on the land mine of sin with all its damage.

That’s one of the great things The Almighty did for her, so she could conceive Jesus from her sinless flesh.

Just another talking point from the RCC, with no biblical support. If you actually had biblical support for your errant view you would provide it.

The bible is clear:
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—
Rom 11:32 For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.
Ecc 7:20 Indeed, there is not a righteous man on earth who continually does good and who never sins.

Since you do not study the bible for yourself you have been mislead by the RCC into believing that mary was sinless, the bible which is the Word of God shows that the RCC is wrong.

So you have to decide if you are going to follow men or God.

 

[Cathode]

Just another talking point from the RCC, with no biblical support. If you actually had biblical support for your errant view you would provide it.

The bible is clear:
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

All nations, in context Paul was pointing out that the Jews weren’t any better off.

Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—

But then life came to mankind through Mary sinlessly conceiving and giving birth to Jesus the Saviour of mankind.

Rom 11:32 For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.

But heaven sent an Angel to Mary who was perfectly obedient to God’s plan.

Ecc 7:20 Indeed, there is not a righteous man on earth who continually does good and who never sins.

“There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.”

Since you do not study the bible for yourself you have been mislead by the RCC into believing that mary was sinless, the bible which is the Word of God shows that the RCC is wrong.

No, your interpretations and conclusions are wrong.

So you have to decide if you are going to follow men or God.

If people follow their own interpretations of scripture, they are still following the traditions of fallen corrupt man.

 

[Mikoo]

Mary conceived Jesus by the power of The Holy Spirit, Jesus is flesh of Mary’s sinless flesh. Of Mary’s flesh and blood and genetics. Mary conceived.

Mary is unique, she was given great graces to preserve her from all sin to fulfil her mission as Mother of God. To conceive God Incarnate.

“ The Almighty has done great things for me “

One of those great things was to to save her from all sin. That is where the Almighty used His power for her.

Just as the Ark had to be totally pure, for God to reside with it, Mary had to be totally pure for Jesus to reside in her.
Both were created for the same purpose, so that God could manifest and dwell with His people.

Lots of words and not one from God's Word. Typical of cults. SMH...The lengths you will go to deny God's Word to support a heretical man-made rc denomination teaching and all other man-made rc denomination anti-Biblical doctrines/teachings.

Maybe we can try one more time:

This is a YES or No question: Was God powerless to keep Jesus from sin even though the Holy Spirit overshadowed her in which she became with child?
You said God preserved Mary from sin, which would mean He couldn't preserve His Son from Sin?
If you admit He can (Hint: He can and did), then you wouldn't have to keep trying to defend this heretical teaching of Mary from the men of the rc denomination.

What I wrote is true, "No physical conception needed'. Are you saying God had physical contact with Mary?

 

[Silverhair]

All nations, in context Paul was pointing out that the Jews weren’t any better off.



But then life came to mankind through Mary sinlessly conceiving and giving birth to Jesus the Saviour of mankind.



But heaven sent an Angel to Mary who was perfectly obedient to God’s plan.



“There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.”



No, your interpretations and conclusions are wrong.



If people follow their own interpretations of scripture, they are still following the traditions of fallen corrupt man.

Are you telling me that your private interpretation is better that what the Holy Spirit says. For shame Cathode. You say no one can do private interpretation but you seem to think you are allowed to judge God. Really?

So you have decided you are going to follow men not God. You condemn yourself by your own words Cathode.

 

[Mikoo]

You are reading from a script. The bible, which is our standard, does not support the RCC private interpretation.

Why does the RCC think it has the right to alter that truths of God? See was a sinner used of God to fulfill His plan just as Abraham, Noah, David, Paul, and all the others that have been or will be in the future. We are all sinners, no exception. That is why the sinless Lamb of God had to come to provide salvation for us.

If mary were sinless then she would not have needed a savior which she admitted she did.

The rc members absolute ignorance/twisting of God's Word (at times on purpose IHMO) is astounding. All cult-like groups have to do that in order to teach their heretical/anti-Bible doctrines.

 

[Silverhair]

The rc members absolute ignorance/twisting of God's Word (at times on purpose IHMO) is astounding. All cult-like groups have to do that in order to teach their heretical/anti-Bible doctrines.

While I would not call the RCC a cult I would agree that they are cult-like in that they demand total allegiance to what their pope says is truth even when it contradicts the Word of God.

 

[Cathode]

Lots of words and not one from God's Word. Typical of cults. SMH...The lengths you will go to deny God's Word to support a heretical man-made rc denomination teaching and all other man-made rc denomination anti-Biblical doctrines/teachings.

Cults? It’s the largest and oldest Church in the world. There’s far better suggestions for human founded cults.

This is a YES or No question: Was God powerless to keep Jesus from sin even though the Holy Spirit overshadowed her in which she became with child?
You said God preserved Mary from sin, which would mean He couldn't preserve His Son from Sin?
If you admit He can (Hint: He can and did), then you wouldn't have to keep trying to defend this heretical teaching of Mary from the men of the rc denomination.

What I wrote is true, "No physical conception needed'. Are you saying God had physical contact with Mary?

I think I understand what you are asking. It’s not a question of power, so a yes no answer doesn’t apply.

The Holy Spirit can’t reside with Satan. It’s one or the other not both.

The Holy Spirit is Holy, He can not co-inhabit what’s in Satan’s dominion, filth.

So the Holy Divine Nature is not going to form unity, with filth. The two are polar opposite.

So a fitting Holy place has to made, a sanctuary from filth.

The Ark had to be made as a pure sanctuary, as Mary had to be made a pure sanctuary. Fallen world requires a holy sanctuary for a Holy God.

“And they are to make a sanctuary for Me, so that I may dwell among them.”

Mary had to be preserved from sin as a sanctuary for Jesus, and so she could conceive Jesus from her sinless flesh, and He dwell among us.

Mary is The Ark of The New Covenant. The ancient Fathers and Bishops of the Catholic Church knew this from the Apostles.

“O noble Virgin, truly you are greater than any other greatness. For who is your equal in greatness, O dwelling place of God the Word? To whom among all creatures shall I compare you, O Virgin? You are greater than them all O Covenant, clothed with purity instead of gold! You are the Ark in which is found the golden vessel containing the true manna, that is, the flesh in which divinity resides.” Athanasius, Homily of the Papyrus of Turin, 71:216 (ante AD 373).

This is the profound depths of Scripture revealed here.

 

[Mikoo]

Cults? It’s the largest and oldest Church in the world. There’s far better suggestions for human founded cults.



I think I understand what you are asking. It’s not a question of power, so a yes no answer doesn’t apply.

The Holy Spirit can’t reside with Satan. It’s one or the other not both.

The Holy Spirit is Holy, He can not co-inhabit what’s in Satan’s dominion, filth.

So the Holy Divine Nature is not going to form unity, with filth. The two are polar opposite.

So a fitting Holy place has to made, a sanctuary from filth.

The Ark had to be made as a pure sanctuary, as Mary had to be made a pure sanctuary. Fallen world requires a holy sanctuary for a Holy God.

“And they are to make a sanctuary for Me, so that I may dwell among them.”

Mary had to be preserved from sin as a sanctuary for Jesus, and so she could conceive Jesus from her sinless flesh, and He dwell among us.

Mary is The Ark of The New Covenant. The ancient Fathers and Bishops of the Catholic Church knew this from the Apostles.

“O noble Virgin, truly you are greater than any other greatness. For who is your equal in greatness, O dwelling place of God the Word? To whom among all creatures shall I compare you, O Virgin? You are greater than them all O Covenant, clothed with purity instead of gold! You are the Ark in which is found the golden vessel containing the true manna, that is, the flesh in which divinity resides.” Athanasius, Homily of the Papyrus of Turin, 71:216 (ante AD 373).

This is the profound depths of Scripture revealed here.

SMH...Thank you for proving correct what I wrote.

 

[Cathode]

SMH...Thank you for proving correct what I wrote.

“he has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent away empty”