Do All Baptists Except IFB's Spiritualize The Bible Prophesies To Israel

[JD731]

Does your Baptist denomination teach that Israel and the church of Jesus Christ are the same entity in either and both testaments?

I am IFB so my answer to my question is "no," Israel is the people of God with an earth bound destiny while the church is predestined to heavenly glorification and the prophesies to each are unique to them and are literal.

 

[Ben1445]

There are definitely spiritual applications. These do not negate the promises made of physical things, people, and places.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Does your Baptist denomination teach that Israel and the church of Jesus Christ are the same entity in either and both testaments?

Their is no such thing as a hierarchy in the Baptist community. No such thing as a Baptist denomination. Every Baptist congregation is self-governing - autonomous.

No Baptist I have attended over the past 60 years taught that Israel and the church are the same entity.

 

[Zaatar71]

The elect remnant from the jewish nation, and elect gentiles who are branches of the olive tree that are grafted in, replacing unbelieving Jews, now form the true Israel of God. There is now one new man, not a divided heavenly/earthly people. The middle wall has been eternally broken down.

 

[kyredneck]

Does your Baptist denomination teach that Israel and the church of Jesus Christ are the same entity in either and both testaments?

The 'Israel of God' is comprised of OT & NT saints, known also as 'children of promise'.

Galatians Chapter 4

28​	Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.

Romans Chapter 9

6​	But it is not as though the word of God hath come to nought. For they are not all Israel, that are of Israel:
7​	neither, because they are Abraham`s seed, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8​	That is, it is not the children of the flesh that are children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned for a seed.

Philippians Chapter 3

3​	for we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God, and glory in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh:

 

[JesusFan]

The elect remnant from the jewish nation, and elect gentiles who are branches of the olive tree that are grafted in, replacing unbelieving Jews, now form the true Israel of God. There is now one new man, not a divided heavenly/earthly people. The middle wall has been eternally broken down.

The Church proper is now spiritual Israel

 

[JesusFan]

Does your Baptist denomination teach that Israel and the church of Jesus Christ are the same entity in either and both testaments?

I am IFB so my answer to my question is "no," Israel is the people of God with an earth bound destiny while the church is predestined to heavenly glorification and the prophesies to each are unique to them and are literal.

The Church is now spiritual israel, but national Israel will have still a place in plan of God, as they shall be reborn as a people and nation unto God at Second Coming event

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Salvation in all ages has been to all people through faith..

the church in the OT or the NT belong to children of God be it jew or gentile

God did however make a specific promise to Israel through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.. and this covenant still stands today. as a seperate covenant.

Every baptist church I ever attended believed this or something like this

 

[Zaatar71]

The Church is now spiritual israel, but national Israel will have still a place in plan of God, as they shall be reborn as a people and nation unto God at Second Coming event

God is able to GRAFT THEM IN AGAIN....Romans 11:
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

 

[Some Rando]

Baptists take all manner of different approaches to the O.P. These are not really Baptist distinctives and they are free to take (and do take) any number of different approaches. Even IFB's do at times.

 

[JesusFan]

Salvation in all ages has been to all people through faith..

the church in the OT or the NT belong to children of God be it jew or gentile

God did however make a specific promise to Israel through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.. and this covenant still stands today. as a seperate covenant.

Every baptist church I ever attended believed this or something like this

The Old Covenant Israel had with God though now been superseded abolished by the New Covenant

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Old Covenant Israel had with God though now been superseded abolished by the New Covenant

No one was ever saved under the old covenant given to Israel.

The new covenant is actually the Abrahamic covenant fulfilled

 

[37818]

The Church proper is now spiritual Israel

Not Biblical. The Israel of God are members of the church, but are not the whole hurch.

Galatians 6:15-16, For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

 

[John of Japan]

Most IFBs nowadays are Dispensationalists. In his book Dispensationalism, Charles Ryrie calls the distinction of the church from Israel as the sine qua non of Dispensationalism. The position that makes the church to replace Israel ("replacement theology") is usually connected with covenant theology and thus Reformed Baptist churches. It comes from not reading prophetic Scripture literally, in spite of the fact that every single prophecy about Israel in the OT was fulfilled literally.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Most IFBs nowadays are Dispensationalists. In his book Dispensationalism, Charles Ryrie calls the distinction of the church from Israel as the sine qua non of Dispensationalism. The position that makes the church to replace Israel ("replacement theology") is usually connected with covenant theology and thus Reformed Baptist churches. It comes from not reading prophetic Scripture literally, in spite of the fact that every single prophecy about Israel in the OT was fulfilled literally.

with many more prophecies yet to be fulfilled

 

[JD731]

Their is no such thing as a hierarchy in the Baptist community. No such thing as a Baptist denomination. Every Baptist congregation is self-governing - autonomous.

No Baptist I have attended over the past 60 years taught that Israel and the church are the same entity.

Many Baptists believe that as per this thread so far.

 

[JesusFan]

Most IFBs nowadays are Dispensationalists. In his book Dispensationalism, Charles Ryrie calls the distinction of the church from Israel as the sine qua non of Dispensationalism. The position that makes the church to replace Israel ("replacement theology") is usually connected with covenant theology and thus Reformed Baptist churches. It comes from not reading prophetic Scripture literally, in spite of the fact that every single prophecy about Israel in the OT was fulfilled literally.

there are also many Calvinist Baptists, who would accept doctrines of grace of the reformed, but still holding to a more Dispy eschatology regarding isrel and Church, like a John MacArthur

 

[John of Japan]

there are also many Calvinist Baptists, who would accept doctrines of grace of the reformed, but still holding to a more Dispy eschatology regarding isrel and Church, like a John MacArthur

True. His school teaches Dispensationalism. I have a book by their profs on it.

 

[Dave G]

As a Baptist ( I'm one in the Scriptural sense, even though I currently do not belong to a church in the traditional or denominational sense ), I see the Scriptures telling us that there is an "Israel" that is composed of all who are of the bloodline of Jacob ( whom the Lord renamed "Israel" in Genesis 32:28 )...
That is Israel, the nation.

Then there is spiritual "Israel", the Israel of God ( Galatians 6:16 ) as found and further defined in Romans 2:28-29, Romans 9:6-8, Ephesians 2:14-16 and Philippians 3:3....
Which is every one who is saved.

No, I do not see the Church replacing the physical nation, but I do see those of the elect remnant within the physical nation being combined with Gentile believers in a new covenant after the cross.
All true believers in Jesus Christ are "the Israel of God" and are "the Church".


I see many literal and spiritual promises made to the Israel of God and to the nation of Israel...
Some of those promises have already been fulfilled, some have yet to be fulfilled.

 

[Zaatar71]

Many Baptists believe that as per this thread so far.

Are jew and gentile in the eternal state the same, or different?

No one was ever saved under the old covenant given to Israel.

The new covenant is actually the Abrahamic covenant fulfilled

Could you clarify your statement? Why are all the OT. people mentioned in Hebrews 11,,,The faith Chapter, if they were not saved people?