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Do Christians Disrespect God the Father in our Churches?

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loDebar

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There was not a Father- Son relationship until Jesus became son of man , as us all, and thus Son of God
 
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1689Dave

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loDebar said:
There was not a Father- Son relationship until Jesus became son of man , as us all, and thus Son of God
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I can see it both ways. I use "eternal sonship" when refuting JWs on Proverbs 8. And use "incarnate sonship" in the Doctrine of Divine Simplicity disputes that seem to contradict eternal sonship. But I think it might be part of the mystery of the Trinity we are dealing with.
 
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loDebar

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The Trinity is only shown to us humans , as a Son, Father and the Holy Spirit. We do not have complete knowledge of God.

There might not be a Trinity at all or even a multi personalty unity in Heaven, we do not know.
 
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1689Dave

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loDebar said:
The Trinity is only shown to us humans , as a Son, Father and the Holy Spirit. We do not have complete knowledge of God.

There might not be a Trinity at all or even a multi personalty unity in Heaven, we do not know.
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This would be heresy to deny the Trinity.
 
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loDebar

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wrong, the Trinity is a man made doctrinal that shows God in the three personalities that we know. There is no verse to confirm there is only a three- in-one but that the Son, Father And Holy Spirit each are God. No verse says that is all there is. We cannot assume that we know all about God
 
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loDebar said:
wrong, the Trinity is a man made doctrinal that shows God in the three personalities that we know. There is no verse to confirm there is only a three- in-one but that the Son, Father And Holy Spirit each are God. No verse says that is all there is. We cannot assume that we know all about God
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The doctrine comes from drawing a conclusion about what scripture teaches. And it is not arbitrary. It took years of debate by the most learned to refine it to the point where it is today. If you do not believe the truth contained therein, you worship and serve a false Christ. And are beyond the place where salvation happens. You need to treat this more carefully.
 
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loDebar

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yes, man made conclusion, of the info available, that each are God, but not anything more. There is more than what we know, We cannot assume we know all about God
 
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1689Dave

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loDebar said:
yes, man made conclusion, of the info available that each are God, but not anything more. There is more than what we know
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If you conclude anything about scripture, you have a doctrine. If you prefer the incarnate sonship position, you have a doctrine. The beauty of the Trinity doctrine is that it is refined through years, and even centuries of debate if you accept the later creeds. But if you reject it, you worship and serve a different god from the God of the bible.
 
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1689Dave said:
God is one spiritual essence with three persons positionally called Father, Son (Word), and Holy Spirit who revealed his personal name to Israel as YHWH and to New Covenant Israel as Jesus Christ.
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3 Distinct persons, each one who is God, correct?
 
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loDebar said:
He was not the Son until He became the Son of Man or human. neither was God the Father,
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He was/is The second person of the Trinity.
He temp came to earth in OT as the Angel of the Lord, and as the one that appeared to Moses and Abraham.
 
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