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You are confusing two separate situations thinking they are the same.

“and your children will wander in the wilderness forty years and suffer for your unfaithfulness, until your dead bodies lie finished in the wilderness.” (Numbers 14:33) (NET)

“Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;” Exodus 20:5 (KJV 1900)

 

Many were not written. Reprobate cursed of God.

 

“And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” Revelation 20:15 (KJV 1900)

“The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.” Revelation 17:8 (KJV 1900)

 

The names were never written. You are adding to scripture if you say they were.

 

They say they were not written. This means never written. You want to add to God's word implying they were written and then blotted out. But it doesn't say this.

 

The only names in the book of life are the saved. How many does that represent when compared to the untold trillions not written there?

 

I am just trying to wrap my head around some concepts; God is the only perfect being and is incapable of sin. God loves to create; it is part of His nature, but when God creates He doesn't create another God He creates something that's less than Himself that has the capacity to sin, degrade.
God makes a way for His creation, which is created in His image, to be free of sin by adoption into His son, Himself.
Because God is omniscient He knows His entire plan and knows who will be born even though sin and death will be part of the equation.
God supposedly in advance determines who will be elect and who will be damned and writes the elect peoples names in a book, except I don't see where people in the Book are called elect? 1 Peter 1:2 is the closest i can find, but that doesn't say anything about the Book. Rev 17:8 is a lot closer but still doesn't specifically say elect and neither does Rev 20:15. Is it an assumption that the Book only contains the names of the elect? If only elect people's names are said to be in the Book that would define the Book's function.
If this is only an assumption that leaves room to define the Book of Life as something else and that would undercut what some people assume about God's intentions when it comes to saving and making people elect. If you don't believe people are made elect, but have always been elect, then the process of becoming elect is a useless formality; why pay the blood price for a person's sin and adopt them into your family if they have always been part of that family. This concept says elect can do nothing but be elect and the damned can do nothing but be damned and surprisingly I have to partially agree. If God is omniscient then He has always known who is elect and who is damned, but I can't agree that God's intention was to create good people and bad people and He succeeded on both accounts, literally making God the creator of evil people. I believe God made humanity imperfect so that they have a capacity to sin but aren't directly created for evil. Instead, God created humanity and some failed to be good, due to the imperfection inherent in anything that isn't God. God didn't create good and evil people and they both worked perfectly, but God created humanity good, and humanity failed to be good.
With that said if God created humanity initially good, and everyone that God knows will be born wasn't declared bad until Adam actually sinned, then maybe everyone that God knew would be born had their name in the Book of Life because it was a book declaring everyone who would live through Adam, who was the creation of Jesus Himself; hence the name "The Lambs Book of Life. Then it is a book of creation and not a book of salvation.
If it is a book of creation, and everyone's name starts out in it, then when Jesus in Rev 3:5 discusses blotting someone out of the Book it could be He is talking about people who haven't been declared elect and you have one reason now that people can have their names blotted from the Book; that being someone who doesn't overcome. Another reason that I see would be getting the mark of the beast.
Now you don't have to take Rev 3:5 out of the context of a warning to the worst church and say that Jesus was actually encouraging the Church that He would never blot anyone's name out of the Book; a stretch that you are forced to make if you believe only the elect have their names in the Book.

As far as names not being written, God also says "depart from me I never knew you"; why, because when your name is blotted from His Book there isn't a record of your creation any longer...


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Does God morn what he discards in the trash? why would you?

I find it weird how people have to grow a conscience and sympathy "greater" than God's. They make relationship with God sound like a never ending funeral.

 

Some peoples greatest work gets their heart and soul poured into it.

Can God do better than that?

Its in the nature of GOOD to share its own capacity to love everyone with everyone. Can't counterfeit GOODNESS. A person can label themselves or their idea of God as "good" but when its evil its OBVIOUS to the rest of the world.

Why would God object to you learning to love as he does? Countless demons will work for an answer for us.

 

I love you man!


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Why would an aborted baby's eternal state be any different than that of an infant that dies another way?

The Gospel is the same for all. No man cometh unto the Father but by Jesus. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

 

Hi Aaron, the subject title may be deceiving it's simply asking if babies born or unborn or children who haven't come to consciousness, go to heaven or not when they die. The subject matter fairly quickly broke down into a discussion debating that elect people who have their name in the book of life are those who are saved and it doesn't matter if they're a baby or not. If you would like my opinion on it, which is probably the most unique, I posted in 9, 18, 21, 63 and 116. Topics normally close after around 130 posts so if you want to join in there is still time! God bless you


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